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    <title>Imagining Jewish America&#8217;s future (or lack thereof)</title>
    <link>http://blogs.jta.org/ENTRY_PERMALINK_HERE/imagining-jewish-americas-future-or-lack-thereof/</link>
    <description>Two new opinion pieces predict the demise of Jewish America as we know it within a few decades.</description>
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      <title>Comment by stuart goldbarg</title>
      <link>sgoldbarg@msn.com</link>
      <description>Mr Glasser, 


It was not LIFE or LOOK magazine that predicted the end of Judaism in America by 2000, but rather a comment made by an Orthodox rabbi, who predicted that we&#8217;d all either go to Israel, or stay in the US and become soul&#45;less suburbanites.&amp;nbsp; I believe that it was in TIME magazine.&amp;nbsp; I remember thinking, &#8220;what an idiot&#8221;, which is about what I think of Uzi Silber&#8217;s silly article. He and Margolis might start talking with the young Israeli Shapardim and the &#8216;Russians&#8217;, because the majority of them are definitely not headed in the Orthodox direction.&amp;nbsp; The Conservative move3ment is the only one in the progressive movement that is in trouble.


As a devout Jew, who travels regulary between Israel and the rest of the world,  I don&#8217;t remember ever seeing any bar to Jews living in the diaspora.&amp;nbsp;  That&#8217;s nonsense.


As a ReformaDox, I don&#8217;t remember seeing anything in Talmud that says Jews to be Orthodox to be Jews.&amp;nbsp; Most of the shabbat liturgy and prayers were composed AFTER Talmud, so the streamlining of Judish observance by Conservatives, Reformers, Liberals, Reconstruction, and Renewal cannot be a violation of Talmud.


250 years ago, the Vilna Gaon excommunicated Chassids, so  obviously, Chassids aren&#8217;t Orthodox.&amp;nbsp; The rabbis of Spain, Italy, and France excommunicated Moshe ben Maimon, so obviously he wasn&#8217;t a Jew.&amp;nbsp; For thousands of years Jews, like Acher and toiday&#8217;s  Orthodox have aided the Nations in isolating and killing off other Jews.&amp;nbsp; Don&#8217;t forget, the kapos in the camps were all Orthodox big shots. 


It is the insulting arrogance of Orthodox pontificators that keeps me from claiming to be Orthodox.&amp;nbsp; We Jews are called to be the light of the world, and since Orthodoxy utterly fails in that Mitzvah, Orthodoxy can no longer claim to be Kosher.&amp;nbsp; Therefore I will deny being Orthodox, because I am Kosher.</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Glasser, 
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It was not LIFE or LOOK magazine that predicted the end of Judaism in America by 2000, but rather a comment made by an Orthodox rabbi, who predicted that we&#8217;d all either go to Israel, or stay in the US and become soul-less suburbanites.&nbsp; I believe that it was in TIME magazine.&nbsp; I remember thinking, &#8220;what an idiot&#8221;, which is about what I think of Uzi Silber&#8217;s silly article. He and Margolis might start talking with the young Israeli Shapardim and the &#8216;Russians&#8217;, because the majority of them are definitely not headed in the Orthodox direction.&nbsp; The Conservative move3ment is the only one in the progressive movement that is in trouble.
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As a devout Jew, who travels regulary between Israel and the rest of the world,  I don&#8217;t remember ever seeing any bar to Jews living in the diaspora.&nbsp;  That&#8217;s nonsense.
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As a ReformaDox, I don&#8217;t remember seeing anything in Talmud that says Jews to be Orthodox to be Jews.&nbsp; Most of the shabbat liturgy and prayers were composed AFTER Talmud, so the streamlining of Judish observance by Conservatives, Reformers, Liberals, Reconstruction, and Renewal cannot be a violation of Talmud.
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250 years ago, the Vilna Gaon excommunicated Chassids, so  obviously, Chassids aren&#8217;t Orthodox.&nbsp; The rabbis of Spain, Italy, and France excommunicated Moshe ben Maimon, so obviously he wasn&#8217;t a Jew.&nbsp; For thousands of years Jews, like Acher and toiday&#8217;s  Orthodox have aided the Nations in isolating and killing off other Jews.&nbsp; Don&#8217;t forget, the kapos in the camps were all Orthodox big shots. 
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It is the insulting arrogance of Orthodox pontificators that keeps me from claiming to be Orthodox.&nbsp; We Jews are called to be the light of the world, and since Orthodoxy utterly fails in that Mitzvah, Orthodoxy can no longer claim to be Kosher.&nbsp; Therefore I will deny being Orthodox, because I am Kosher.
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      <title>Comment by blackie</title>
      <link>sschwartz@inbox.com</link>
      <description>&#8220;yonasonwolff&#8221; is worth a thousand &#8220;Meatball Misfit&#8221; (see above: &#8220;Lets hope that the Jewish pres of iran finishes off israel...&quot;) The good guy goes, and the Israel&#45;hating fruitcake stays! So long as JTA refuses to rid this site of anti&#45;Semites, neo&#45;Nazis, etc., the good guys will leave one by one.</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;yonasonwolff&#8221; is worth a thousand &#8220;Meatball Misfit&#8221; (see above: &#8220;Lets hope that the Jewish pres of iran finishes off israel...") The good guy goes, and the Israel-hating fruitcake stays! So long as JTA refuses to rid this site of anti-Semites, neo-Nazis, etc., the good guys will leave one by one.
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      <title>Comment by Phillip Cohen</title>
      <link>runpacer@gmail.com</link>
      <description>I am a non&#45;affiiated Jew. I feel at home in a local Chabad, Conservative or reform temple. We are a people of many ideologies and communities. Some fit and some less so. I may agree or disagree wtih any group in part or whole but I accept all as Jewish. Each has a great deal to offer. Each, I find, to be interesting and moving.


What is so interesting about various Jewish movements is how contrary they are to the way we think they may appear in chronological order. Many of the &#8220;Orthodox&#8221; movements make up for some of the most recently developed historically. Reform, in many ways, is quite old. Having said this so many of the attacks on each other from right or left is an artifice that has little to do with being Jewish.


Predicting where the American Jewish community will be in 30 years can be quite tricky. Numerically Orthodoxy is still quite small. Growing but small. Many Reform and Conservative Jews who do intermarry have children that grow up with Jewish identities. Historically intermarriage has been a double edge sword. In some parts of the world through Jewish intermarriage the community all but disappeared (China and India). In other parts, it actually revived and caused Jewish communities to grow and develop. Evidence can be seen around the world by how Jews in particular places look uncannily like the surrounding populations (black in africa, brown in the middle east and asian in India, etc).


The Jewish population in the United States is still growing...slowly.

The Conservative movement in Israel is growing...slowly.

There is a tremendous effort underway to change the law so there can be civil marriage and recognition of marriage conducted within Israel by non&#45;Orthodox Rabbis. This will be a significant game changer.


Finally, about half the world&#8217;s Jewish population consist of people of color. This is the fastest growing segment of the Jewish population. It may be that in 30 to 50 years more Jews will be black and brown and this may be the face of Jewish America and world Jewry. Although plenty of Orthodox most are not.

Phillip</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a non-affiiated Jew. I feel at home in a local Chabad, Conservative or reform temple. We are a people of many ideologies and communities. Some fit and some less so. I may agree or disagree wtih any group in part or whole but I accept all as Jewish. Each has a great deal to offer. Each, I find, to be interesting and moving.
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What is so interesting about various Jewish movements is how contrary they are to the way we think they may appear in chronological order. Many of the &#8220;Orthodox&#8221; movements make up for some of the most recently developed historically. Reform, in many ways, is quite old. Having said this so many of the attacks on each other from right or left is an artifice that has little to do with being Jewish.
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Predicting where the American Jewish community will be in 30 years can be quite tricky. Numerically Orthodoxy is still quite small. Growing but small. Many Reform and Conservative Jews who do intermarry have children that grow up with Jewish identities. Historically intermarriage has been a double edge sword. In some parts of the world through Jewish intermarriage the community all but disappeared (China and India). In other parts, it actually revived and caused Jewish communities to grow and develop. Evidence can be seen around the world by how Jews in particular places look uncannily like the surrounding populations (black in africa, brown in the middle east and asian in India, etc).
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The Jewish population in the United States is still growing...slowly.
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The Conservative movement in Israel is growing...slowly.
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There is a tremendous effort underway to change the law so there can be civil marriage and recognition of marriage conducted within Israel by non-Orthodox Rabbis. This will be a significant game changer.
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Finally, about half the world&#8217;s Jewish population consist of people of color. This is the fastest growing segment of the Jewish population. It may be that in 30 to 50 years more Jews will be black and brown and this may be the face of Jewish America and world Jewry. Although plenty of Orthodox most are not.
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Phillip
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      <title>Comment by Will Edwards</title>
      <link>wl.edwards@gmail.com</link>
      <description>lol that upper one had a slight cut and paste error&#8230;</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol that upper one had a slight cut and paste error&#8230;
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      <title>Comment by Will Edwards</title>
      <link>wl.edwards@gmail.com</link>
      <description>George Iverson let me say that to me this&#8230; the United States is where I was born, I now live, and consider my home, but Israel...Israel is my birthright granted by Ha&#45;Shem for eternity.&amp;nbsp; Now one thing to note.... if this melting glacier, rising sea level thingy has any merit.... The dead sea is the lowest place on earth&#8230;


Now&#8230; as for that 2bit jerk David&#8230; let me just say I am sick to death of you cowardly defenders of your own inaction.&amp;nbsp; I have had so many of you pot&#45;bellied rebel flag waving drunken nit wits tell me&#8230; a vetern of service&#8230; things like that it makes me queasy in a too much lard in the pancakes this morning queasy.&amp;nbsp; The one thing you learn from a position of strength is you can tolerated the weaker a lot easier&#8230;  David you have repeatedly brought, you and your buddies, a foul blend to these forums and really I wish, if you&#8217;re Jewish to learn to keep your mouth (typing fingers) shut for a change.&amp;nbsp;  If you aren&#8217;t Jewish then just leave&#8230; you are offensive, insulting, and hateful towards Jews.</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Iverson let me say that to me this&#8230; the United States is where I was born, I now live, and consider my home, but Israel...Israel is my birthright granted by Ha-Shem for eternity.&nbsp; Now one thing to note.... if this melting glacier, rising sea level thingy has any merit.... The dead sea is the lowest place on earth&#8230;
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Now&#8230; as for that 2bit jerk David&#8230; let me just say I am sick to death of you cowardly defenders of your own inaction.&nbsp; I have had so many of you pot-bellied rebel flag waving drunken nit wits tell me&#8230; a vetern of service&#8230; things like that it makes me queasy in a too much lard in the pancakes this morning queasy.&nbsp; The one thing you learn from a position of strength is you can tolerated the weaker a lot easier&#8230;  David you have repeatedly brought, you and your buddies, a foul blend to these forums and really I wish, if you&#8217;re Jewish to learn to keep your mouth (typing fingers) shut for a change.&nbsp;  If you aren&#8217;t Jewish then just leave&#8230; you are offensive, insulting, and hateful towards Jews.
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      <title>Comment by William Bilek</title>
      <link>williambilekmd@gmail.com</link>
      <description>Richard, the English, french Spanish, Catholics, Protestants and Hindus have not been repeatedly threatened with extermination. Having a place of Jewish independence and self&#45;reliance may be at least a partial shield against this in the future. As for religion, change is a slippery slope. Can it be that because it has not changed at its halachic heart, Judaism has persevered for 2000 years?</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, the English, french Spanish, Catholics, Protestants and Hindus have not been repeatedly threatened with extermination. Having a place of Jewish independence and self-reliance may be at least a partial shield against this in the future. As for religion, change is a slippery slope. Can it be that because it has not changed at its halachic heart, Judaism has persevered for 2000 years?
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      <title>Comment by richard sittel</title>
      <link>ricksittel@yahoo.com</link>
      <description>I don&#8217;t understand the need to move to the land of our ancestors.&amp;nbsp; Do English, French, or Spanish people have this urge as well?&amp;nbsp; And what would happen if all the Catholics moved to  Italy?&amp;nbsp; My home is where I live, work and raise my family.&amp;nbsp; And Cheryl, a religion that doesn&#8217;t change with the times and isn&#8217;t flexible is soon extinct.....

Richard</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand the need to move to the land of our ancestors.&nbsp; Do English, French, or Spanish people have this urge as well?&nbsp; And what would happen if all the Catholics moved to  Italy?&nbsp; My home is where I live, work and raise my family.&nbsp; And Cheryl, a religion that doesn&#8217;t change with the times and isn&#8217;t flexible is soon extinct.....
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      <title>Comment by joel glasser</title>
      <link>joelglasser@gmail.com</link>
      <description>I have two comments.


First, I think &#8220;MEATBALL HERO&#8221; is IN MY OPINION, an idiot.


Just this past week, a Nobel winner in science was an Israeli; when was the last Iranian (with what? 8 or 10 times the population) the home of a Nobel winner?&amp;nbsp; Or, any Muslim country (in a field of science).

I cannot think of any.


Israel is the home of perhaps one fo the greatest concentrations of engineers, scientists and medical people.



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I would also like to repsond to Mr. Rob Brownstein.


I agree that it is difficult to extrapolate decades into the future.


A few eeeks ago, the Rabbi of the Shul I go to discussed this issue, and brough up an interesting point.


In (I beleive the year was 1964&#45;not sure, but in the 1960&#8217;s or so) LOOK MAGAZINE ( remember that?) predicted that by  the year 2000, there would be NO JEWS IN THE US, due to intermarriage, low birth rates; conversions; assimilation, etc.


Yet, as we can see, that is not the case.


Yes, Reform Judiasm is weak&#45; but, it was (in my view) more for social ( and business/networking)  meeting palce then religion.&amp;nbsp; With the religion coming in second (or third) in importance.


(I attended a funeral service at a Reform Shul,  a few years ago, where the Rabbi talked about going to eat lobster, and pork ribs; and criticized a mourner&#45; who is Orthodox, for having a beard, and wearing tsitises (hope spelled correctly).


I am not Orthodox ( and went as a courtesy&#45; to a family member, who ahs offered me assistance in personal matters, several times over the years), and I was offended.&amp;nbsp; NOT that the Rabbi ate the lobster and pork, but that he talked about it in a Shul.&amp;nbsp; A Christina&#45; with any knowledge of the jewish religion wuld probably&#45; upon hearing something like this, think ALL Jews are hypocrites, or worse.&amp;nbsp; 


Anyhow, my 5 cents worth.</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have two comments.
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First, I think &#8220;MEATBALL HERO&#8221; is IN MY OPINION, an idiot.
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Just this past week, a Nobel winner in science was an Israeli; when was the last Iranian (with what? 8 or 10 times the population) the home of a Nobel winner?&nbsp; Or, any Muslim country (in a field of science).
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I cannot think of any.
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Israel is the home of perhaps one fo the greatest concentrations of engineers, scientists and medical people.
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I would also like to repsond to Mr. Rob Brownstein.
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I agree that it is difficult to extrapolate decades into the future.
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A few eeeks ago, the Rabbi of the Shul I go to discussed this issue, and brough up an interesting point.
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In (I beleive the year was 1964-not sure, but in the 1960&#8217;s or so) LOOK MAGAZINE ( remember that?) predicted that by  the year 2000, there would be NO JEWS IN THE US, due to intermarriage, low birth rates; conversions; assimilation, etc.
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Yet, as we can see, that is not the case.
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Yes, Reform Judiasm is weak- but, it was (in my view) more for social ( and business/networking)  meeting palce then religion.&nbsp; With the religion coming in second (or third) in importance.
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(I attended a funeral service at a Reform Shul,  a few years ago, where the Rabbi talked about going to eat lobster, and pork ribs; and criticized a mourner- who is Orthodox, for having a beard, and wearing tsitises (hope spelled correctly).
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I am not Orthodox ( and went as a courtesy- to a family member, who ahs offered me assistance in personal matters, several times over the years), and I was offended.&nbsp; NOT that the Rabbi ate the lobster and pork, but that he talked about it in a Shul.&nbsp; A Christina- with any knowledge of the jewish religion wuld probably- upon hearing something like this, think ALL Jews are hypocrites, or worse.&nbsp; 
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Anyhow, my 5 cents worth.
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      <title>Comment by William Bilek</title>
      <link>williambilekmd@gmail.com</link>
      <description>Agreed! &#8220;Home&#8221; is where the heart is. What would the Jews in this country do, regardless of affiliation, if a David Duke &#45; type ever became President, or even came close?</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed! &#8220;Home&#8221; is where the heart is. What would the Jews in this country do, regardless of affiliation, if a David Duke - type ever became President, or even came close?
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      <title>Comment by George Iversen</title>
      <link>george.iversen@verizon.net</link>
      <description>There is something more than obscene, more than shocking about David&#8217;s comments.&amp;nbsp; His comments were terrifying to the point where I&#8217;m sure Archie Bunker would be blushing.&amp;nbsp; 


Like Yonason, there are veterans in my family and my father died from his military service  when I was a little boy.&amp;nbsp; 


Like many Jews, The United States of America is my country and Israel is my home!</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is something more than obscene, more than shocking about David&#8217;s comments.&nbsp; His comments were terrifying to the point where I&#8217;m sure Archie Bunker would be blushing.&nbsp; 
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Like Yonason, there are veterans in my family and my father died from his military service  when I was a little boy.&nbsp; 
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Like many Jews, The United States of America is my country and Israel is my home!
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      <title>Comment by</title>
      <link>yonasonwolff@gmail.com</link>
      <description>Gee &#45; what kind of place is this?&amp;nbsp; JTA, you seem not to screen comments.&amp;nbsp; This is the last time I&#8217;m going to participate on this site &#45; too much uneducated nourishkeit and anger.&amp;nbsp; A git Yom Tov to all.</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee - what kind of place is this?&nbsp; JTA, you seem not to screen comments.&nbsp; This is the last time I&#8217;m going to participate on this site - too much uneducated nourishkeit and anger.&nbsp; A git Yom Tov to all.
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      <title>Comment by Alan Jay Weisbard</title>
      <link>alan.weisbard@gmail.com</link>
      <description>One thing we learn from history is that long&#45;term extrapolations of short&#45;term trends cannot be relied upon. This phenomenon seems to be particularly true about predictions concerning religion and demographics. We are in the midst of a worldwide return to more fundamentalist religious tendencies that was completely unexpected a generation ago, and is still not very well understood. Those who predict permanent continuities in this domain do so at their own risk.

  I do not know  what the future holds for Jews and Judaism in Israel or in America. I distrust those who claim certain knowledge. I do know, at first hand, of significant pockets of young Jews, particularly in independent minyanim and havurot, who are Jewishly knowledgeable, committed, and active both in Jewish religious life and in working to improve the world in which they live, without withdrawing from or denying the fruits of the modern secular world. May they live, prosper, and, in their time,  reproduce with gusto.

&#45;&#45;The Wise Bard</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing we learn from history is that long-term extrapolations of short-term trends cannot be relied upon. This phenomenon seems to be particularly true about predictions concerning religion and demographics. We are in the midst of a worldwide return to more fundamentalist religious tendencies that was completely unexpected a generation ago, and is still not very well understood. Those who predict permanent continuities in this domain do so at their own risk.
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  I do not know  what the future holds for Jews and Judaism in Israel or in America. I distrust those who claim certain knowledge. I do know, at first hand, of significant pockets of young Jews, particularly in independent minyanim and havurot, who are Jewishly knowledgeable, committed, and active both in Jewish religious life and in working to improve the world in which they live, without withdrawing from or denying the fruits of the modern secular world. May they live, prosper, and, in their time,  reproduce with gusto.
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      <title>Comment by leroy oakmont</title>
      <link>oakmontl@yahoo.com</link>
      <description>Cheryl dear, you say:

       &#8220;It is not the organic Judaism which is rooted in the study of Torah and the observance of halachic law. &#8220;   

       I have news for you:&amp;nbsp; Halacha = Law.&amp;nbsp; There is no such thing as rabbinic Jewish law which does not go by the term &#8216;halacha&#8217; !&amp;nbsp; An authentic observant Jew &#45; orthodox or non&#45;orthodox&#45; would know this to be the case and formulate it accordingly, since for them it is like the air which they breathe.&amp;nbsp;    It is, however, of course, a fine point that Gentiles&#8212;even well&#45;meaning Christian Zionists such as you, Cheryl&#45; have diffculty grasping. 

 (Speaking of &#8220;halachic law&#8221; is like saying &#8220;Jewish rabbi&#8221;. I ask you: are there any non&#45;Jewish rabbis?&amp;nbsp; And, Cheryl dear, no, 

your Messianic Jewish buddies do not count! )


JTA COMMUNITY: the last person to &#8216;out&#8217; Cheryl and debunk her make&#45;believe claim to be a bona&#45;fide Jew, was &#8216;reported&#8217; by her and unfairly bounced from this blog.&amp;nbsp; So if I disappear, you will know why &#45; and, if you believe in truth and fairness, complain about it to the JTA!</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl dear, you say:
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       &#8220;It is not the organic Judaism which is rooted in the study of Torah and the observance of halachic law. &#8220;   
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       I have news for you:&nbsp; Halacha = Law.&nbsp; There is no such thing as rabbinic Jewish law which does not go by the term &#8216;halacha&#8217; !&nbsp; An authentic observant Jew - orthodox or non-orthodox- would know this to be the case and formulate it accordingly, since for them it is like the air which they breathe.&nbsp;    It is, however, of course, a fine point that Gentiles&#8212;even well-meaning Christian Zionists such as you, Cheryl- have diffculty grasping. 
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 (Speaking of &#8220;halachic law&#8221; is like saying &#8220;Jewish rabbi&#8221;. I ask you: are there any non-Jewish rabbis?&nbsp; And, Cheryl dear, no, 
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your Messianic Jewish buddies do not count! )
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JTA COMMUNITY: the last person to &#8216;out&#8217; Cheryl and debunk her make-believe claim to be a bona-fide Jew, was &#8216;reported&#8217; by her and unfairly bounced from this blog.&nbsp; So if I disappear, you will know why - and, if you believe in truth and fairness, complain about it to the JTA!
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      <title>Comment by</title>
      <link>yonasonwolff@gmail.com</link>
      <description>David &#45; The violence of your response to Cheryl is obscene,  unbecoming and way off the mark.&amp;nbsp; 


  To say that Eretz Yisroel is a Jew&#8217;s home, and that his or her country of residence is not, is fundemental and basic to our theology and history.&amp;nbsp; There are veterans in my family who have served this countrerty  from WWII to the present &#45; and I believe that I am a loyal and good citizen of this country &#45; but Eretz Yisroel is still my &#8220;home.&#8221;</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David - The violence of your response to Cheryl is obscene,  unbecoming and way off the mark.&nbsp; 
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  To say that Eretz Yisroel is a Jew&#8217;s home, and that his or her country of residence is not, is fundemental and basic to our theology and history.&nbsp; There are veterans in my family who have served this countrerty  from WWII to the present - and I believe that I am a loyal and good citizen of this country - but Eretz Yisroel is still my &#8220;home.&#8221;
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      <title>Comment by Rob Brownstein</title>
      <link>rob.brownstein@litepoint.com</link>
      <description>I believe it was Irving Kristol who said something like the biggest threat to American Jewry is that American Christians don&#8217;t want to kill us...they want to marry us. My gut tells me that whatever cohesiveness there was among Jews in 20th century America is waning. The future is with Orthodox Jewry. As Kristol intimated, it is the very &#8220;safety&#8221; of America that leads many Jews to lose their identities and become just an American. What I&#8217;ve seen of Orthodox Jews is far more cohesive. The Orthodox Jewish family&#8217;s way of living absolutely depends upon the singlemindedness of husband and wife. Maybe not by 2040 but eventually those who describe themselves as Jews in America will be Orthodox. The rest will talk about their Jewishness as cultural, or social, but will cease to be of demographic significance.</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it was Irving Kristol who said something like the biggest threat to American Jewry is that American Christians don&#8217;t want to kill us...they want to marry us. My gut tells me that whatever cohesiveness there was among Jews in 20th century America is waning. The future is with Orthodox Jewry. As Kristol intimated, it is the very &#8220;safety&#8221; of America that leads many Jews to lose their identities and become just an American. What I&#8217;ve seen of Orthodox Jews is far more cohesive. The Orthodox Jewish family&#8217;s way of living absolutely depends upon the singlemindedness of husband and wife. Maybe not by 2040 but eventually those who describe themselves as Jews in America will be Orthodox. The rest will talk about their Jewishness as cultural, or social, but will cease to be of demographic significance.
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      <title>Comment by David</title>
      <link>david.ehrens@gmail.com</link>
      <description>Cheryl, if America is not your homeland, then please leave immediately. I&#8217;m sure your conscience will not be burdened by the sight of a Palestinian family camping on the street when you are offered their house. 


Go for it! Make aliyah! Get the f&#45;&#45;&#45;&#45; out of my country.</description>
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Go for it! Make aliyah! Get the f---- out of <i>my</i> country.
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      <title>Comment by Will Edwards</title>
      <link>wl.edwards@gmail.com</link>
      <description>That is the absolute truth.&amp;nbsp; 


...the disappearance of the &#8220;secular and religiously liberal&#8221; American Jew is inevitable due to intermarriage, low birth rates and assimilation&#8230;


Reform Judaism is destroying the Jewish community&#8230; and maybe the Jew too.&amp;nbsp;  I can understand wanting to live life to your own beat but, without community there is no real identity and without identity one tends to wander aimlessly through life.&amp;nbsp; Are we really ready for this experiment of life to end for us?&amp;nbsp; Outside influence on the gene pool is not only essential but also beneficial, yet letting go of the traditional identity of a people cause that people not to be.&amp;nbsp; There is strength, purpose, and joy in the traditional unity of the Jewish community and that is what must be preserved if we are to remain an entity unto ourselves&#8230; The Jews.</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the absolute truth.&nbsp; 
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...the disappearance of the &#8220;secular and religiously liberal&#8221; American Jew is inevitable due to intermarriage, low birth rates and assimilation&#8230;
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Reform Judaism is destroying the Jewish community&#8230; and maybe the Jew too.&nbsp;  I can understand wanting to live life to your own beat but, without community there is no real identity and without identity one tends to wander aimlessly through life.&nbsp; Are we really ready for this experiment of life to end for us?&nbsp; Outside influence on the gene pool is not only essential but also beneficial, yet letting go of the traditional identity of a people cause that people not to be.&nbsp; There is strength, purpose, and joy in the traditional unity of the Jewish community and that is what must be preserved if we are to remain an entity unto ourselves&#8230; The Jews.
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      <title>Comment by Judy Simon</title>
      <link>heyjude0701@verizon.net</link>
      <description>Judaism has been a dynamic religion for 6,000 years, and it will continue to grow and change.&amp;nbsp; Just as the Ashkenazi orthodox communities of the past had spin&#45;off groups (conservative and reformed Judaism), so will the modern growing orthodox population spawn new spin&#45;offs.&amp;nbsp; They may not look like the conservative and reform movements as we know them, but there will be spin&#45;off groups.&amp;nbsp; The Jewish community never was and never will be homogeneous.&amp;nbsp; There are things that connect all Jews, but not all Jewish communities are the same.</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judaism has been a dynamic religion for 6,000 years, and it will continue to grow and change.&nbsp; Just as the Ashkenazi orthodox communities of the past had spin-off groups (conservative and reformed Judaism), so will the modern growing orthodox population spawn new spin-offs.&nbsp; They may not look like the conservative and reform movements as we know them, but there will be spin-off groups.&nbsp; The Jewish community never was and never will be homogeneous.&nbsp; There are things that connect all Jews, but not all Jewish communities are the same.
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