Freedom of speech, not freedom from criticism http://blogs.jta.org/ENTRY_PERMALINK_HERE/freedom-of-speech-not-freedom-from-criticism/ There is a fundamental misunderstanding in the current Swedish newspaper controversy. en-us uheilman@jta.org Copyright 2009 2009-08-25T;16:30:00-05:00 Comment by Manelis Angelakis manos.angelakis@ked.gr I don’t get why this has become a freedom of expression issue. Israel did not ask for legal or any other action from the Swedish government. It did not ask for an apology from it. This was the reaction of Muslim governments and groups to the Danish cartoon controversy. All it asked was for it to take a position and morally condemn the article. That would be a purely political and democratically legitimate action. With the endemic political correctness in Sweden (the rest of Europe too), ranting about freedom of speech sounds a bit hypocritical… I don’t get why this has become a freedom of expression issue.
Israel did not ask for legal or any other action from the Swedish government. It did not ask for an apology from it. This was the reaction of Muslim governments and groups to the Danish cartoon controversy.
All it asked was for it to take a position and morally condemn the article. That would be a purely political and democratically legitimate action.
With the endemic political correctness in Sweden (the rest of Europe too), ranting about freedom of speech sounds a bit hypocritical…

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by R. Keith Rugg rkrugg@aol.com Another clear and concise commentary by Uriel Heilman.  Hard to believe how difficult it is for entities (people, governments, even news media outlets themselves) to understand the distinction between criticism and censorship, even when it is spelled out for them in black and white, as in this blog post… Another clear and concise commentary by Uriel Heilman.  Hard to believe how difficult it is for entities (people, governments, even news media outlets themselves) to understand the distinction between criticism and censorship, even when it is spelled out for them in black and white, as in this blog post…

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by Terry Rowe mrterry00@yahoo.com Thoroughly Disgusted: Precisely my point! (Also, to watch blackie’s vile response whenever I choose to pull his chain!!) Thoroughly Disgusted:
Precisely my point!
(Also, to watch blackie’s vile response whenever I choose to pull his chain!!)

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by Thoroughly Disgusted dca_123@hotmail.com Terry, tell that to the rabbis in New jersey. Terry, tell that to the rabbis in New jersey.

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by Vlad Observer yancher@sbcglobal.net I am stuned to see AlJazira kind of comments infiltrate here I am stuned to see AlJazira kind of comments infiltrate here

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by blackie sschwartz@inbox.com TR, But you do believe that SOME Jews (not the “real” ones WOULD harvest human organs, don’t you? And what’s your scientific research tell you about the inclination of gentiles to harvest organs? Or do you just specialize in Jewish “blood libel”? TR,
But you do believe that SOME Jews (not the “real” ones
WOULD harvest human organs, don’t you? And what’s your scientific research tell you about the inclination of gentiles to harvest organs? Or do you just specialize in Jewish “blood libel”?

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by josuaprophet elronhubird27@aol.com ...THUS SAYS THE LORD TODAY 8/26/09 By Way OF ME JOSHUA A PROPHET OF THE UPMOST HIGH… ( I AM HERE and WALK AMONG YOU ) ye have seen all that Jehovah your God hath done unto all these nations because of you for Jehovah your God, he it is that hath fought for you. Behold, I have allotted unto you these nations that remain, to be an inheritance for your tribes, from the Jordan, with all the nations that I have cut off, even unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun. And Jehovah your God, he will thrust them out from before you, and drive them from out of your sight and ye shall possess their land, as Jehovah your God spake unto you. Thus saith Jehovah, the God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt of old time beyond the River, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nahor and they served other gods. When ye transgress the covenant of Jehovah your? God, which he commanded you, and go and serve other gods, and bow down yourselves to them then will the anger of Jehovah be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you JOSHUA the Prophet 08/26/09 IF YOU TRY TO HARM ME YOU WILL DIE A HORRID DEATH… I BRING FEAR TO AWAKEN THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF JEHOVAH!!! REPENT...JESUS IS COMMING AGAIN AND HE ALONE WAS THE TRUE MESSAIAH!! T H E Y A R E W A T C H I N G Y O U N O W ... DEATH IS AT YOUR NECK THIS VERY MOMENT YOU READ THIS!!! DO NOT REJECT ME OR YOU REJECT THE ONE WHO CREATED YOU.. JOSHUA ...THUS SAYS THE LORD TODAY 8/26/09 By Way OF ME JOSHUA A PROPHET OF THE UPMOST HIGH… ( I AM HERE and WALK

AMONG YOU )

ye have seen all that Jehovah your God hath done unto all these nations because of you for Jehovah your God, he it is that hath fought for you.

Behold, I have allotted unto you these nations that remain, to be an inheritance for your tribes, from the Jordan, with all the nations that I have cut

off, even unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun.

And Jehovah your God, he will thrust them out from before you, and drive them from out of your sight and ye shall possess their land, as Jehovah

your God spake unto you.

Thus saith Jehovah, the God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt of old time beyond the River, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nahor

and they served other gods. When ye transgress the covenant of Jehovah your? God, which he commanded you, and go and serve other gods, and

bow down yourselves to them then will the anger of Jehovah be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he

hath given unto you

JOSHUA the Prophet 08/26/09

IF YOU TRY TO HARM ME YOU WILL DIE A HORRID DEATH…
I BRING FEAR TO AWAKEN THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF JEHOVAH!!!
REPENT...JESUS IS COMMING AGAIN AND HE ALONE WAS THE TRUE MESSAIAH!!
T H E Y A R E W A T C H I N G Y O U N O W ... DEATH IS AT YOUR NECK THIS VERY MOMENT YOU READ THIS!!!
DO NOT REJECT ME OR YOU REJECT THE ONE WHO CREATED YOU..

JOSHUA

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by Yosef Hartuv yosefandmelody@gmail.com “ A ministry spokesman, Anders Jorle, said that the Swedish government had “no position on the allegations” and quoted from the blog of foreign minister Carl Bildt where he said that “freedom of expression and press freedom are very strong in our constitution by tradition.” The Swedish government has not in fact defended free speech with the vigour that is now claimed. On February 10, 2006 the BBC reported that the website of a far-Right political party’s newspaper had been closed down in relation to the Danish cartoon controversy during which cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad caused mass protests by Muslim groups in Europe and around the world. http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/sweden-runs-for-cover-as-foreign-ministry-refuses-to-condemn-anti-semitic-outrage/#more-936 “ A ministry spokesman, Anders Jorle, said that the Swedish government had “no position on the allegations” and quoted from the blog of foreign minister Carl Bildt where he said that “freedom of expression and press freedom are very strong in our constitution by tradition.”
The Swedish government has not in fact defended free speech with the vigour that is now claimed. On February 10, 2006 the BBC reported that the website of a far-Right political party’s newspaper had been closed down in relation to the Danish cartoon controversy during which cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad caused mass protests by Muslim groups in Europe and around the world.
http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/sweden-runs-for-cover-as-foreign-ministry-refuses-to-condemn-anti-semitic-outrage/#more-936

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by Stan Nadel stan@eterna.net Excellent statement by the editor.  As for Zolidus, s/he misses the point and confuses criticism with censorship. Excellent statement by the editor.  As for Zolidus, s/he misses the point and confuses criticism with censorship.

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by Terry Rowe mrterry00@yahoo.com No real Jew would even think of dealing in human organs! No real Jew would even think of dealing in human organs!

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by Zolidus essbeck@gmail.com The Swedish foreign minister cannot do anything about this. The constitution forbids him from condemning any article written. If you have someone from the government that sit and approve articles to be published you will have a “taste police” that will cancel publications accourding to their subjectivity. Its forbidden for Swedish government to censor anything published in Sweden. The point with that is that the person that publish have rights to publish but also responsabilitys for what they publish. If there is wrondoings done there is laws that work to punish the publishers. Its not for government to deal with that. The Swedish foreign minister cannot do anything about this. The constitution forbids him from condemning any article written.

If you have someone from the government that sit and approve articles to be published you will have a “taste police” that will cancel publications accourding to their subjectivity.

Its forbidden for Swedish government to censor anything published in Sweden. The point with that is that the person that publish have rights to publish but also responsabilitys for what they publish. If there is wrondoings done there is laws that work to punish the publishers. Its not for government to deal with that.

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by Myron J themyronus@yahoo.com I must agree with Miriam, we here in Israel should investigate organ harvesting, but only after we have looked into the use of gentile children to make matzos, Mossad’s envolment in the 9/11 terrorist attack, and the secret Jews who control the world! I must agree with Miriam, we here in Israel should investigate organ harvesting, but only after we have looked into the use of gentile children to make matzos, Mossad’s envolment in the 9/11 terrorist attack, and the secret Jews who control the world!

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by David Sternlight david@sternlight.com 1. Freedom of speech is freedom from government censorship; no more and no less. It does not apply to the press or any other nongovernmental party with respect to any other non-governmental parties. As a Justice once put it, freedom of the press applies only to those who own presses. 2. Given that the Palestinians and their friends have a long history of proven lying (it’s even enshrined in Islamic doctrine as “al Takkiyya"), and more significantly of accusing Israelis of Palestinian crimes (using human shields, attacking civilians, etc.), it would not surprise me to learn that there is actually involuntary harvesting of human organs going on in Palestinian areas. 1. Freedom of speech is freedom from government censorship; no more and no less. It does not apply to the press or any other nongovernmental party with respect to any other non-governmental parties. As a Justice once put it, freedom of the press applies only to those who own presses.

2. Given that the Palestinians and their friends have a long history of proven lying (it’s even enshrined in Islamic doctrine as “al Takkiyya"), and more significantly of accusing Israelis of Palestinian crimes (using human shields, attacking civilians, etc.), it would not surprise me to learn that there is actually involuntary harvesting of human organs going on in Palestinian areas.

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by Miriam madams12@earthlink.net Mr Heilman....seems to me that a fairer less fractious and antagonizing way of dealing with upsetting news is rather than everyone getting in a line and shouting epithets at those who are normally reasonable such as the recent article in the Swedish paper...perhaps just maybe, if the Israeli govt would act more civilly initially and at least offer to investigate rather than CASTIGATE immediately, calling names, perhaps it would send a signal to the world Israel is not in a perpetual SNIT and aggressively reactionary to any/every report of criticism/concern.  As today I received a link and then found another to 2 old and forgotten Israeli news reports about lots of hankypanky going on concerning organ harvesting or missing organs....and the other was in a british medical journal here they are: Abu Kabir Operating Organ Warehouse. By IsraelNationalNews.com http://www.allbusiness.com/middle-east/israel/102662-1.html and then: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1173179 and I do so AGREE with your headline “freedom of speech not freedom from criticism” just as Y. Harkarbi warned in his book years ago..  Enough of this thin-skinned argumentative over reactionary libeling of any /all criticisms, enough! Mr Heilman....seems to me that a fairer less fractious and antagonizing way of dealing with upsetting news is rather than everyone getting in a line and shouting epithets at those who are normally reasonable such as the recent article in the Swedish paper...perhaps just maybe, if the Israeli govt would act more civilly initially and at least offer to investigate rather than CASTIGATE immediately, calling names, perhaps it would send a signal to the world Israel is not in a perpetual SNIT and aggressively reactionary to any/every report of criticism/concern.  As today I received a link and then found another to 2 old and forgotten Israeli news reports about lots of hankypanky going on concerning organ harvesting or missing organs....and the other was in a british medical journal here they are:
Abu Kabir Operating Organ Warehouse. By IsraelNationalNews.com
http://www.allbusiness.com/middle-east/israel/102662-1.html and then:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1173179
and I do so AGREE with your headline “freedom of speech not freedom from criticism” just as Y. Harkarbi warned in his book years ago..  Enough of this thin-skinned argumentative over reactionary libeling of any /all criticisms, enough!

]]> 2012-02-09T;19:12:00-05:00 Comment by Kevin Kamberg oregonrainsticks@gmail.com I concur with Heilman’s argument here. That said… as I watched the controvery over the Swedish paper’s claims develop, it seemed pretty obvious that many of the reactions were every bit as knee-jerk as the claims allegedly were. A calmer, more rational, more objective criticism would have called on the newspaper to more fully investigate the IDF’s claim that the scars were the result of an autopsy.  Which, frankly, makes sense. The IDF had every incentive in the world to do autopsies and document as precisely as possible the actual cause of death… precisely because everything about said deaths is going to be controversial. It would be a foolish mistake of epic proportions for the IDF not to want to go above and beyond in documenting how Palestinians died at the hands of IDF members. And I say this as a frequent critic of the policy decisions by those in control of the IDF. It just makes more sense that the scar was the result of an autopsy than that it was the result of harvested organs. And the zealotry of conservative Zionists is their rage against the Swedish paper missed a golden opportunity to demonstrate their lack of bigotry. Instead they proved themselves bigots of the same magnitude as those they were raging against. I concur with Heilman’s argument here.

That said… as I watched the controvery over the Swedish paper’s claims develop, it seemed pretty obvious that many of the reactions were every bit as knee-jerk as the claims allegedly were.

A calmer, more rational, more objective criticism would have called on the newspaper to more fully investigate the IDF’s claim that the scars were the result of an autopsy.  Which, frankly, makes sense. The IDF had every incentive in the world to do autopsies and document as precisely as possible the actual cause of death… precisely because everything about said deaths is going to be controversial.

It would be a foolish mistake of epic proportions for the IDF not to want to go above and beyond in documenting how Palestinians died at the hands of IDF members.

And I say this as a frequent critic of the policy decisions by those in control of the IDF.

It just makes more sense that the scar was the result of an autopsy than that it was the result of harvested organs. And the zealotry of conservative Zionists is their rage against the Swedish paper missed a golden opportunity to demonstrate their lack of bigotry. Instead they proved themselves bigots of the same magnitude as those they were raging against.

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