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06/24/09 09:21 AM

Noachides are barren fools, devoid of biblical festivals and without the Sabbath and other treasures given to all mankind, living in their limbo land of neither Jewish or Christian or anything, but feeling good about being nothing.

Basically the Noahides are simply required to live moral lives and not participate in pagan worship, which is what true Christians do, many who were Gentilized Israelites (Anglo-Saxon-Celtic peoples) but have returned to our Hebrew roots and biblical responsibilities.

Should Jews be considered “soul snatchers” for encouraging the Noahide nonsense rather than encouraging Gentilized Israelites to at least remember the Sabbath and holy days and dietary laws?

Noahide nonsense

06/25/09 04:56 PM

The Noachides are not real Christians. True Christians believe in the virgin birth of Messiah Jesus (Yeshua HaMashiach, the anointed one ,according to Messianic Jews). There is very interesting information of the reasons educated Christians and Messianic Jews believe what they do. Both believe in the entire book of the Holy Scriptures. For Christians, this is called the old and newer testaments. Messianic Jews refer to this as the Torah, Tanakh, and the B’rit Hadashah. If one is curious, a reading of these texts prove that they are definitely written by Jews, with Jewish thought. Another interesting point is that very educated Messianic Jewish Rabbis, and Christians can make quite a case of proving that Yeshua HaMashiach is historically, according to many sources, and documented texts written by persons such as Josephus, and others, that the person Yeshua is indeed the anointed one. Archaeological sources have also borne out the truth of the Holy Scriptures. Mathematically, the odds of one person fulfilling even a small portion of the prophecies of the coming Messiah is astronomical in proportions.  For educated Messianic Jews and Christians-Yeshua fulfilled all of the prophecies. Mathematically, it is almost beyond comprehension. Their calculations and research, if studied-makes for a very challenging case as to the true nature of the-divinity/person of Yeshua. The majority of Christians and Jews do not read the Holy Scriptures. And they cannot present a very good case as to why they believe-what they believe. The blatant misunderstandings between Christians and Jews, lies in their ignorance of each other, and they both do not read or study the scriptures. There are many different kinds/types/or forms of Judaism and Christianity. The Roman emperor Constantine made HIS brand of Christianity the State religion, and he took the very heart and Jewishness out of the Messianic movement.  A solar calendar made it hard for gentile believers in Yeshua to keep G_D’s appointed times, festivals. Constantine mercilessly persecuted the first messianic community. He took the Jewishness out of Christianity, and over time pagan rituals became part of Christianity-such as Christmas trees, and Santa Claus, for basic examples we see today. Most Christians do not have any knowledge of the appointed festivals and times of the L_rd. They are not taught them in mainstream Churches. In fact, many of today’s churches have become so convoluted that some feel there are “many ways to Heaven” . This is an anti-thesis of the basic tenants of the faith. Judaism, also has sects that have stopped believing in certain basic tenants of the faith. New Age(Old Age) beliefs are also intermingling within the body of believers. Selectivity of the scriptures: I will believe and take this, but not that-and mans own rules have infected both Jews and Christians. There is a movement going on that attempts to connect Christians with the very Jewishness of their religion. This would be like the first messianic believers-minus the distortions and bad church fathers teachings, the wrongness of the crusaders, pagan elements, etc. that have permeated the religion. There is much distrust of Messianic Believers as “traitors” to the Jewish religion feeling they sold out to the very people who have persecuted the Jewish people for 2000years. This is pure ignorance. They are just as Jewish as they were before they believed in Yeshua(salvation, savior in Hebrew), besides that Yeshua is Jewish. The entire scripture was written by Jews. They are still kosher, celebrated the appointed times, etc. Yet this group is probably the most discriminated minority on on the face of the earth. They do not adhere to mainstream Christianity, nor do their own Jewish brothers accept them(they are traitors).  This is my take on it, and I have studied various religions in order to understand the peoples of the world better. The Nochides are full of nonsense to me, also.