The Jets and Giants and Nazi collaborators
Will a company with a Nazi past and a history of cooperating with Hitler win the naming rights for the new NFL stadium for the Giants and Jets?
More than six decades ago, Allianz, a Munich-based insurer and financial services company, insured facilities and personnel at concentration camps like Auschwitz and Dachau, had a chief executive who wore an SS uniform and served as Hitler's economics minister, and refused to pay the life insurance policies of Jews, instead sending Jewish beneficiaries' cash to Nazis.
Now Allianz wants its name atop the football stadium representing the hometown teams of the most Jewish city in America, and the world.
So far, no decision has been made, according to a report on the subject in Wednesday's New York Times. The Giants and Jets have hired a crisis management firm to deal with possible problems arising from the sale of the stadium's naming rights, which reportedly will go for $20 million to $30 million per year. Here's what Richard Sandomir writes in the Times:
A deal with Allianz would not be easy to sell publicly, like Citigroup's with the Mets. The possibility of an Allianz Stadium will make some people cringe, especially in a market that is home to many Jewish people, and in which the Tisch family, which owns half of the Giants, has supported many Jewish causes."There must be sensitivity to the psychological impact this would have," said Elan Steinberg, a vice president of the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors and Their Descendants. "Survivors are still alive. It would not be appropriate to affix the Allianz name to a stadium name in an area where a lot of survivors still living."
...Even the best arguments in Allianz's favor are imperfect. The teams can say that Allianz has done much to atone for its role before and during the war, but no amount of apologies or restitution to victims and survivors can make full amends for its past.
The teams can say Allianz participated in two major efforts that began in the 1990s to compensate slave and forced laborers as well as insurance policy holders — but only after pressure from the American government, state insurance regulators and Jewish groups, and class-action suits filed in federal court.
The teams refused to speak about Allianz, which has United States subsidiaries like Fireman's Fund Insurance and Oppenheimer Capital, because a deal is not done. And Allianz refused to discuss the naming-rights negotiations.
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And so the BIG LIE continues…
There is not a single shred of documentary or scientific evidence to support the claim of 6 million gassings or burnings.
Even on a statistical basis the numbers don’t add up: In 2002 Israel claimed that 1,090,000 “h” survivors were still alive. In 2005 Germany is on record of paying “compensation” to 1,700,000 “survivors”.
Obviously someone is lying, but the real point here is that using actuarial calculations would have over 6 million Jews living after WWII in formerly German-controlled lands. With 5 million in Russia at that time, and the total in Europe given as 11,000,000 Jews… You do the math. No Jew was gassed or burned in the concentration camps!
Even the Israeli Supreme Court has dismissed all “eye witness” testimony as fairy tales of horror when it overturned the death sentence of “Ivan the Terrible” (Djemchuk, sp?).
The “6 million” number is a figure in Jewish mythology (Talmud) and was already used by Jewish groups during World War One.
Stop the lies already! By persisting with them you are only proving Hitler’s claims in Mein Kampf.
H.F. Wolff
You know what? I was going to comment on this post with a link to Degussa, the company whose anti-graffiti chemical was used on Berlin’s Holocaust memorial despite their connections to Zyklon B--I was going to say that these companies have atoned for their sins. Certainly the people who run Volkswagen, for example, aren’t Nazis or anti-Semites.
But the commenter above makes me reconsider. Here’s what I’ll conclude:
The important thing isn’t to eschew any and all companies that ever had contact with Hitler or Nazi Germany, for the same reason that we can still buy from companies that once had ethical problems in their past.
But in accepting their business, we should demand a thorough explanation of their participation in the Holocaust and how precisely they have atoned for their actions. That way we can keep Holocaust dialogue and memory alive without taking retroactive justice too far.
Ben,
How can one explain what one did during an action that demonstrably did not happen?
You don’t have to believe me with regards to the lack of scientific and forensic evidence; Contact the Simon Wiesenthal Centre in L.A. and ask for clarification on what is available as evidence.
Fact is the only “evidence” available is so-called “eye-witness” evidence which, upon investigation, turns out to be not “eye-witness” at all, but hearsay of the type “my brother-in-law’s second cousin’s girlfriend’s lover heard someone talk about it in a bar.
The evidence for this assertion is straight forward: None of the witness’ testimony stands up to scientific scrutiny, and forensic investigations have determined the opposite of what we are told is truth. Further, most of the testimony contradicts each other or is not corroborated by proven photographic evidence.
As I stated in an earlier post above even the Israeli Supreme Court found “eye-witness” testimony untruthful to put it mildly and overturned the death sentence which was based on this false testimony.
So, how does one reply to a question such as “when did you stop beating your wife”? Easy, especially if you never had a wife and never beat anyone.
The best way to combat a lie is by listening to the truth, not by jailing the truth-teller.
H.F. Wolff
I cringe every time I read regarding what Holocaust Denier’s claim. This is a simple fact of history, not heresay; I have seen the camps, and the evidence; have you? I doubt it. You are probably another antiJewish piece of slime that crawled from the sewer.
A Deist, Feminist, Goy
A.D.F.G.:
Name-calling is the final refuge of the out-argued scoundrel.
I earn my living, every day, in one of the HARD SCIENCES.
No arm-waving stuff, truth is relative, etc. etc. nonsense; either the airplane flies or it does not, the bridge is safe or it is not, the elevator works or it does not.
The next time you drive your car you rely on the brakes and the steering to work as expected, reliably. Someone’s opinion that it might be OK just won’t cut it.
It is these same scientific principles applied to the claims of the holocaust that disclose the holocaust for what it is: a colossal hoax.
I will not dispute what you saw; but you did not see a single person gassed to death in a homicidal gas chamber in any German camp. Even the Simon Wiesenthal centre agrees with this. The only “homicidal” gas chamber in existence was built after the war by the communists at Auschwitz.
How can I be sure? Through those same scientific principles that allow you to enjoy those everyday conveniences I described above. It also helps that I know that the forensic examinations on all the bodies found after the war, carried out by American Pathologists, found that without fail the persons had died of starvation and/or disease, mainly typhoid.
WHY? Because the incessant bombing by Americans of everything that moved, stopped the supply of food and medicines. Therefore you can blame Americans and British for the concentration camp deaths.
And the mathematics, at which I happen to be very good, further disclose the big lie, as I have shown in an earlier post here.
Not a million eye witness testimonies can disprove a single scientific fact or principle. Science is not a matter of consensus or opinion, but of VERIFIABLE FACTS. Any eye witness testimony is suspect if it is contradicted by scientific principles.
This is the reason why in Europe, and now in the USA, individuals that supply scientific evidence disproving the hoax of the holocaust lose their jobs or are imprisoned: It shows up the big lie and endangers the billions of dollars annual cash flow.
Keep this in mind for the next few years as your economic well-being collapses around you. The same powers promoting and profiting from the big lie of the holocaust are also robbing you and you loved ones blind.
But then, there are none so blind as those who will not see.
I will not call you names as I know that my facts as listed will withstand the closest scientific investigation.
May you live in interesting times!
H.F. Wolff
Dear Mr. Wolff,
Name calling is an art form, kusemek, not a hard science.
Have you gotten to the root of why you’re so engrossed with disproving the Holocaust that you spend so much energy that might be applied to something usefull - like curing baldness? Or, world hunger or making my iPhone stop fritzing out for no reason?
Or why not just loosen up and relax? Maybe you and some Stormfront buddies could take in a Giants game instead of trolling JTA just waiting for a way to fit your pathetic agenda into a conversation.
If you think we are scarred by the purposeful mass extermination of our race (for the umpteenth time) because of which METHOD those sick bastards used - then you obviously were dropped on your head as a child.
So from this proud Zionist, grand daughter of Shoah survivors, who doesn’t give a damn about proving anything of my people’s history to anyone - kiss my Jewish ass you antisemitic piece of garbage.
L Aziz Saba
Dear L.A.S.
“Name calling is the final......”
You get the idea.
The reason I do this is because it is easy… My professional work is HARD, based in the hard sciences. Debunking holohoax profitteers like you, on the other hand, is child’s play and provides comic relief.
Don’t you find it interesting that in a recent public opinion poll conducted world-wide, Israel was rated the lowest by far among all nations of the world.
Interesting that you lump me in with groups when you know nothing about me… How typically Jewish.
It is not surprising that all you can come up with is further name-calling but not one iota of forensic or scientific evidence that might cause debate.
I conclude you would call the Israeli Supreme Court anti-semitic because they overturned a death penalty based on so-called “eye-witness” testimony.
May you live in interesting times.
H.F. Wolff
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Carol
09/10/08 11:36 AM
It is hard fo us, my husband a Jewish American soldier librerated by the British from Stalag 11B to accept this. Money indeed the root of evil/ But worse is that people do not care about decency and justice!