Jul 3,2008
In an editorial Thursday, the L.A. Times argues against U.S. acquiescence to an Israeli attack on Iran. The editorialists write:
There are a dozen reasons why “If you want to whack them, we’ve got your back” is the wrong message for the U.S. to send Israel, publicly or privately.
One is the increase in oil prices as a result of the war talk, which only enriches Iran. But here are two better ones: The consequences of an Israeli war with Iran are unpredictable, and it is nearly impossible to assess Iran’s ability to make good on its threats to retaliate against the United States, presumably through its terrorist proxy, Hezbollah. The last thing the U.S. needs now is more instability, as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Michael G. Mullen said Wednesday. And while the odds may be low that diplomacy will solve the problem, we can’t know for sure because we haven’t tried it. Only the Europeans have. If bilateral talks with nuclear North Korea were acceptable to Bush, then why is it still anathema to talk with Iran?
The consequences of an Israeli war with Iran may be unpredictable, but the consequences for Israel of a nuclear-armed Iran are less unpredictable.
Sure, Iran might go nuclear and not attack the Jewish state, but is that a risk Israel can afford to take? Even if Iran held off from attacking Israel — which may be the likelier scenario, were Iran to go nuclear — the Islamic Republic would be able to brandish its nuclear threat over Israel like a mobster with a baseball bat. Is that something with which Israel would be able to live?
As for the oil reason, what’s worse: Expensive gas, or a nuclear-armed Iran? The warmongering serves the free world well, because it’s one more method to get Iran to quit its nuclear program that doesn’t involve actually bombing the place. Thus, regardless of whether or not President Bush actually would give Israel the green light to bomb Iran, it’s helpful that it appears as if he would.
For more on the degree to which rising oil prices are related to Iran-Israel tension, stay tuned for Ron Kampeas’ piece on the subject in JTA (coming out later today).
Meanwhile, Ha’aretz’s Avi Shavit writes that the scenario of Israel attacking Iran in the sunset of Bush’s presidency (which our Ron Kampeas wrote about here), may be far-fetched, but there’s so much at stake that Israel needs to get its ducks in a row just in case. The conclusion: Israel needs new elections now.
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38 Responses for "L.A. Times: No to warmongering on Iran"
The foreign policy of the worst president ever is like a comic book story or a fairy tale: fantasy, lies and nonsense. Even if the world was divided into good and evil, the United States is not good.
“The consequences of an Israeli war with Iran may be unpredictable, but the consequences for Israel of a nuclear-armed Iran are not.”
Really? Where did you get the time machine?
The consequences for Iran of a nuclear attack on *anybody* would be dire, and they know it. They won’t do it. On the other hand, they also know that the U.S. has never invaded a nuclear power. So nuclear power is the only true defense they can provide against war-mongers like yourself.
If you want the Iranians to stop developing nuclear weapons, start treating them like human beings.
Israel is NOT threatened by Iran — this is entirely a manufactured fear in order to justify Israeli monopolization of victim-status and aggression. Too bad Israel won’t dominate Iran.
so what is human about an islamic state ? Have you been to a country and had seen how they operate. You people who kept on depending Iran will most likely regret your sentiments to this vain nation once they acquire or develop a nuclear bomb. For an islamic state, anything non islam is not a believer in Allah. If you dont believe in Prophet Mohammed & Koran then you are an infidel even if you claim you believe in God. There must be a regime change in Iran to make the world a safer way to live. So how do you regard Irans support to Hezbollah and Hamaz? Iraq could have been quiet with Irans meddling in its internal affair sending weapons and the Quds force. If Iran will be attack, Hezbollah & Hamaz will shutup then the palestinian people will accept peace accord with Israel and recognize the Jewish state. Palestinian state concept is not new. It has been plan since the birth of Israel but the arabs wont accept israel so the palestinian until now for 60 years had suffered. If only the arab nations already accept Israel as an independent nation then the Palestinian State could have been ratified in the mid 40s when Israel was accepted by the UN. I’m not Jewish, I’m asian but I support the bombing of Iran because that is the only way to keep the middle east peaceful. You need war to achieve peace. The case of Iran is a good example. I can’t wait for Israel or US to bomb this islamic state. I wish they do.
Let’s sit down at the table….
Ireland supports dialogue with Iran and support also the solidarity of a Palestinian State- the paltform of a true Profile in Courage.
Let’s address fairness in the Middle East and the festering cancer of hatred will have a chance.
No more wars- I can see an Israel and Palestine- side by side as equals- is that too difficult?
“….the Islamic Republic would be able to brandish its nuclear threat over Israel like a mobster with a baseball bat. Is that something with which Israel would be able to live? ”
Does the author forget about the fact that Israel herself has nuclear weapons? The right to defend itself is understandable, but preemptive strike, give me a break. Smells like fear to me. Hey, who knows, if there is a war, both of these countries can wipe themselves off the map.
i find it rather interesting that a country, which possesses its own secret nuclear weapons and is not a member of NPT, together with another country, which is the only one to have used the nuclear weapons on a sovereign nation, are ready to go to war with a nation that is trying to deter this aggresion. what a hypocrisy!
Iran having a nuclear bomb will only serve as a defense measure for them. Both of their neighbors have foreign troops, they have been labeled as being a threat, they are smart to worry.
Iran would not use its nuclear weapons for offensive measures since at most lets say they have 10 the US has thousands and Israel hundreds, Iran attacks with nukes the entire country becomes desolate and a bowl of glass.
Them have nukes is not a threat ot anyone simply a defensive posturing for their own well being.
This said Irans ayatollahs are a virus on the Iranian people (and the wrold) but attacking them will only strengthen them
And who’are “human being”? Iranian government, supporting jihadist/hesbolla and other human waste that shooting in kindergardens schools and cribs, blowing supermarkets with shopping housewife s, running buldozer through pedestrians.
Are you sure that maniak-fanatic will not happened to push a “Start” button when he suddenly hears Mohammed?
I’d bet that last crazy buldozer operator did not know what he is going to do while approaching fatal intersection.
Only crazy people’d allow next Ali ben Jihad chance to get access to this button
Arkady Dashevsky
With the current situation, it is Israel that has continued to act like a corrupt mobster with a baseball bat. Iran going nuclear would merely result in what the US supports in every other region of the world: mutual deterence.
This situation allows criminal states like Israel to coerce and bully other states and other peoples and even blackmail the entire world. It allows Israel to bomb Tunis, Baghdad, Syria and threaten to bomb the Egyptian Aswan Dam and then tell the helpless victims “hit me back if you dare.”
The United States is the largest state-sponsor of terrorism in the world. We’ve murdered over 1,000,000 people in the last 5 years. I could really care less about Iran or Israel right now because it doesn’t concern us but because you started it… Israel has nukes, what are they worried about? Your mobster with a baseball bat is a terrible analogy. It would be better if the mobster with a baseball bat (Iran) was trying to hurt an F-22 (Israel) but just gets blown to smithereens instead. If you research your history, you’ll learn that Israel & the U.S. have been the bullies while Iran has actually been quite peaceful while we’ve ravaged their country. It’s time to leave Iran alone and look inside ourselves and what we’ve been doing since the end of WWII. The best thing Israel and the U.S. can do is to try to set a good example and hope that others will emulate us. Otherwise, we’ll never learn.
Time for the US to nuke Israel.
“You’re right, the Palestinian people - have - and are - suffering; and, you are correct, they did endure a Nakba 60 years ago, and there is an important lesson there. But the lesson to be learned is not that the Nakba was the result of the creation of the State of Israel. Rather, it was the result of the Palestinian and Arab leadership rejecting the UN resolution calling for the establishment of both a Jewish state and a Palestinian-Arab state.
“The Jewish leadership accepted the resolution, but the Palestinian and Arab leadership did not, which they had a right to do. What they did not have a right to do was attack the nascent Jewish state with the objective - as they acknowledged at the time - of initiating a ‘war of extermination.’ The result was, therefore, a double Nakba: not only of Palestinian-Arab suffering and the creation of a Palestinian refugee problem, but also, with the assault on Israel and on Jews in Arab countries, the creation of a second, much less known, group of refugees - Jewish refugees from Arab countries.”
IT IS tragic to appreciate that had the Partition Resolution been accepted 60 years ago, there would have been no Arab-Israeli war - no refugees, Jewish or Arab - and none of the pain and suffering since. Indeed, we would have been celebrating the 60th anniversary of both the State of Israel and the State of Palestine.
Moreover, this “double rejectionism,” where Arab leadership was prepared to forgo the establishment of a Palestinian state if it meant countenancing a Jewish state in any borders, not only found expression 60 years ago, but has underpinned the Arab-Israeli-Palestinian conflict ever since.
Yet the revisionist Mideast narrative - prejudicial to authentic reconciliation and peace between peoples as well as between states - continues to hold that there was only one victim population, Palestinian refugees, and that Israel was responsible for the Palestinian Nakba of 1948.
The result is that the pain and plight of 850,000 Jews uprooted and displaced from Arab countries - the forgotten exodus - has been both expunged and eclipsed from both the Middle East peace and justice narratives these past 60 years.
YET THE United Nations once again commemorated the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People on the 60th anniversary of the United Nations Partition Resolution of November 29, 1947, and continued to ignore the plight of Jewish refugees on this commemorative occasion, thereby indulging and encouraging this Mideast revisionism.
Moreover, this revisionist narrative has not only eclipsed - and erased - the forgotten exodus from memory and remembrance, but it also denies that it was a forced exodus, and one that resulted from both double rejectionism and double aggression. This is the real Nakba - the real double catastrophes.
Simply put, the Arab countries not only rejected a Palestinian state and went to war to extinguish the nascent Jewish state, but also targeted the Jewish nationals living in their respective countries, thereby creating two refugee populations - the Palestinian refugee population resulting from the Arab war against Israel, and the Jewish refugees resulting from the Arab war against its own Jewish nationals.
Indeed, evidence contained in a recent report entitled “Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries: The Case for Rights And Redress” documents for the first time a pattern of state-sanctioned repression and persecution in Arab countries - including Nuremberg-like laws - that targeted its Jewish populations, resulting in denationalization, forced expulsions, illegal sequestration of property, arbitrary arrest and detention, torture and murder - namely, anti-Jewish pogroms. And while the internal Jewish narrative has often referred to pogroms as European attacks on their Jewish nationals, it has often ignored Arab-Muslim attacks on their Jewish nationals.
Moreover, as the report also documents, these massive human rights violations were not only the result of state-sanctioned patterns of oppression in each of the Arab countries, but they were reflective of a collusive blueprint, as embodied in the Draft Law of the Political Committee of the League of Arab States.
This is a story that has not been heard. It is a story that has not yet even been told. It is a truth that must now be acknowledged.
REGRETTABLY, THE United Nations also bears express and continuing responsibility for this distorted Middle East and peace narrative. Since 1948, there have been more than 130 UN resolutions that have specifically dealt with the Palestinian refugee plight. Yet, not one of these UN Resolutions makes any reference to, nor is there any expression of concern for, the plight of the 850,000 Jews displaced from Arab countries. Nor have any of the Arab countries involved - or the Palestinian leadership involved - expressed any acknowledgement, let alone regret, for this pain and suffering, or for their respective responsibility for the pain and suffering.
How do we rectify this historical - and sustaining - injustice? What are the rights and remedies available under international human rights and humanitarian law? And what are the corresponding duties and obligations incumbent upon the United Nations, Arab countries, and members of the international community?
What follows is a nine-point international human rights action agenda.
• First, it must be appreciated that while justice has long been delayed, it must no longer be denied. The time has come to rectify this historical injustice, and to restore the plight and truth of the “forgotten exodus” of Jews from Arab countries to the Middle East narrative from which they have been expunged and eclipsed these 60 years.
• Second, remedies for victim refugee groups - including rights of remembrance, truth, justice and redress, as mandated under human rights and humanitarian law - must now be invoked for Jews displaced from Arab countries.
• Third, in the manner of duties and responsibilities, each of the Arab countries - and the League of Arab States - must acknowledge their role and responsibility in their double aggression of launching an aggressive war against Israel and the perpetration of human rights violations against their respective Jewish nationals. The culture of impunity must end.
• Fourth, the Arab League Peace Plan of 2002 should incorporate the question of Jewish refugees from Arab countries as part of its narrative for an Israeli-Arab peace, just as the Israeli narrative now incorporates the issue of Palestinian refugees in its vision of an Israeli-Arab peace.
• Fifth, on the international level, the UN General Assembly - in the interests of justice and equity - should include reference to Jewish refugees as well as Palestinian refugees in its annual resolutions; the UN Human Rights Council should address, as it has yet to do, the issue of Jewish as well as Palestinian refugees; UN agencies dealing with compensatory efforts for Palestinian refugees should also address Jewish refugees form Arab countries.
• Sixth, the annual Nov. 29th commemoration by the United Nations of the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People should be transformed into an International Day of Solidarity for a Two-State Solution - as the initial 1947 Partition Resolution intended - including solidarity with all refugees created by the Israeli-Arab conflict.
• Seventh, jurisdiction over Palestinian refugees should be transferred from UNWRA to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. There was no justification then - and still less today - for the establishment of a separate body to deal only with Palestinian refugees, particularly when that body is itself compromised by its incitement to hatred and violence, as well as its revisionist teaching of the Mideast peace and justice narrative.
• Eighth, any bilateral Israeli-Palestinian negotiations - which one hopes will presage a just and lasting peace - should include Jewish refugees as well as Palestinian refugees in an inclusive joinder of discussion.
• Ninth, during any and all discussions on the Middle East by the Quartet and others, any explicit reference to Palestinian refugees should be paralleled by a reference to Jewish refugees from Arab countries.
THE EXCLUSION and denial of rights and redress to Jewish refugees from Arab countries will prejudice authentic negotiations between the parties and undermine the justice and legitimacy of any agreement.
Let there be no mistake about it. Where there is no remembrance, there is no truth; where there is no truth, there will be no justice; where there is no justice, there will be no reconciliation; and where there is no reconciliation, there will be no peace - which we all seek.
IRAN MUST BE BOMB. TO DEAL WITH IRAN, THE ONLY WAY TO PEACE IS WAR !!!!
It is very sad how some are not thinking but are promoting war but not peace. All sides need to sit down and talk and agree that the best interest to all involved is not using force or threats but to use common sense and remove all the fear the government of Iran has, so they won’t need to have a nuclear weapon. If there was an understanding and respect amongst the two or three parties, with Iran, Israel and the U.S., then like the North Koreans, Iranians can be convinced that they will be treated as equal and encouraged to use energy from nuclear power. However, if people like Arkady are involved there will no be peace in the Middle East, and the world will suffer another unnecessary war. God help us all.
So the concept of Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) works diplomatically with communists but not with Islamists and Isralis??? Even if Israel were wiped off the map by Iran, Israel’s muclear armed subs would make Iran one vast globule of glass, and the vaunted long Persian history would come to an abrupt radioactive end.
The concept of mutual assured destruction by each nation if attacked, should be the expressed public policy. Fearing hell will get you to heaven has worked with religion, and is one hell of a diplomatic weapon which has worked in the cold war.
Do you think keeping oil prices high trumps MAD from being ballyhooded with gusto in the middle east??
Decapitate the homicidal leadership of Iran and destroy their nuclear facilities now! The scumbag Iranians execute teenage girls for the “crime” of having a boyfriend. They execute homosexuals for being homosexual and nothing more. They beat women for not covering and generally treat women like they are inferior to men in all ways. They are clearly sub-Human pieces of shit that should be shown the face of Allah in a mushroom cloud. Why wait? Take them out now BEFORE their nuclear weapons program comes online. They have clearly and loudly stated their intentions to wipe Israel off the map so why should anybody wait till they are actually capable of such a deed? I know there will be counter attacks and terrorism but anything they are capable of now would pale by comparison to what would happen if those fanatical maniacs had nuclear weapons. It’s not going to be easy and it’s going to be costly in every manner but it has to be done. They aren’t fit to be called Human-beings, they are the scum of the Earth. The Iranians have been conducting low-intensity warfare against the United States since the hostage crisis. They are directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of American soldiers in Iraq. They are constantly goading the West. Let’s let them have it lock, stock & barrel before they can launch a nuclear missile not after. We need to stop these assholes like somebody should have stopped Hitler. YES to warmongering on Iran, YES indeed. Let’s send the Mullahs and the Ayatollahs and the rest of the filthy bastards home to Allah.
a small group of desert people wrote a fictional book in which a fictional god granted them israel, a fictional country. who cares? let the israelis fight alone, i don’t owe them anything.
Yon Ram you’re a vicious ZIONAZI
nasty nasty nasty little extremist person, promoting war and death and destruction
In response to this Jewish lady yon ram, she is talking about resolutions. she has no idea what has been happening in UN for past 6 years, here are just a few resolotion against israel.
1.Resolution 106: “… ‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid”
2.Resolution 111: “…’condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people”
3.Resolution 127: “…’recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem”
4.Resolution 162: “…’urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions”
5.Resolution 171: “…determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria”
6.Resolution 228: “…’censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control”
7.Resolution 237: “…’urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees”
8.Resolution 248: “… ‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan”
9.Resolution 250: “… ‘calls’ on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem”
10.Resolution 251: “… ‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250″
11.Resolution 252: “…’declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital”
12.Resolution 256: “… ‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation”"
13.Resolution 259: “…’deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation”
14.Resolution 262: “…’condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport”
15.Resolution 265: “… ‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan”
16.Resolution 267: “…’censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem”
17.Resolution 270: “…’condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon”
18.Resolution 271: “…’condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem”
19.Resolution 279: “…’demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon”
20.Resolution 280: “….’condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon”
21.Resolution 285: “…’demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon”
22.Resolution 298: “…’deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem”
23.Resolution 313: “…’demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon”
24.Resolution 316: “…’condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon”
25.Resolution 317: “…’deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon”
26.Resolution 332: “…’condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon”
27.Resolution 337: “…’condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty”
28.Resolution 347: “…’condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon”
29.Resolution 425: “…’calls’ on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon”
30.Resolution 427: “…’calls’ on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
31.Resolution 444: “…’deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces”
32.Resolution 446: “…’determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ’serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
33.Resolution 450: “…’calls’ on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon”
34.Resolution 452: “…’calls’ on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories”
35.Resolution 465: “…’deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program”
36.Resolution 467: “…’strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon”
37.Resolution 468: “…’calls’ on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return”
38.Resolution 469: “…’strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians”
39.Resolution 471: “… ‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
40.Resolution 476: “… ‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’”
41.Resolution 478: “…’censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’”
42.Resolution 484: “…’declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors”
43.Resolution 487: “…’strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility”
44.Resolution 497: “…’decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith”
45.Resolution 498: “…’calls’ on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon”
46.Resolution 501: “…’calls’ on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops”
47.Resolution 509: “…’demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon”
48.Resolution 515: “…’demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in”
49.Resolution 517: “…’censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon”
50.Resolution 518: “…’demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon”
51.Resolution 520: “…’condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut”
52.Resolution 573: “…’condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
53.Resolution 587: “…’takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw”
54.Resolution 592: “…’strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops”
55.Resolution 605: “…’strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
56.Resolution 607: “…’calls’ on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
57.Resolution 608: “…’deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians”
58.Resolution 636: “…’deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
59.Resolution 641: “…’deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
60.Resolution 672: “…’condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
61.Resolution 673: “…’deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
62.Resolution 681: “…’deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
63.Resolution 694: “…’deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
64.Resolution 726: “…’strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
65.Resolution 799: “…’strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
Hope this will satisfy her if something else did not.
Iran doesn’t need nuclear weapons. They have something almost as good; a commanding position on the Strait of Hormuz. This, combined with credible long range missels armed conventionally, will always be enough to get the world’s, and even Israel’s attention when push comes to shove. Such as now.
Most thought that Saddam was lying when he said he had no WMD. Turns out he was telling the truth and Bush was lying. The incredulous can happen.
Remember, it was the American president Nixon who convinced the Iranians to use nuclear power for Iran and sell their oil to the US in 1973. This makes even more sense for Iran today.
Lav
Some comments on this board reveal the true bigotry and anti-Jewish hatred that is prevalent in the world. Jews and Israel have a natural right to defend themselves, and do not need the permission of anyone. Too bad, the price of oil will rise if Iran is attacked, and indeed, it is without doubt necessary to take care of the Iranian threat to world peace. The only language Iran understands is that of war. Too bad for the innocent civilians who oppose the viscious Islamic radicals in charge there. Many died in World War II to achieve peace, and eliminate the evil German dictator. Unfortunately, permanent peace could not be attained then. Peace is an ongoing challenge to mankind. Pretending that peace results from not hitting bad actors like Iran is foolishness.
May Israel be blessed with peace.
SOHAIL … Palestinians are sacrificial lambs by the rich Saudi Arabs. It’s okay for the rich Arabs to see Palestinians suffer in kingdom come just to irritate Israel because Arabs knew and cannot admit they were wrong in not accepting the Israel which was accepted by the UN. Until now Palestinians are poor because Arabs and the muslim world like them to become victims instead of helping them. The way they help palestinians is to buy them guns and explosive. It is to the entertainment of the Arabs and muslim to see Israel and Palestinian in chaos. You can list all the resolutions pro-palestinians but arabs are liars… so who would believe them. The world knew that muslim only cares for their fellow muslims. How come the Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhist have no issue. Muslim religion was founded on war. Islam history is driven by war. Islam expansion is thru war. Until now Islam is still at war with the world. The world will be a better place without Islam. I can’t wait to see US & ISRAEL bomb Iran. Who will suffer most … Iran and the dignity of the muslim world. Islam is a religion of terror. To accept Allah, one must believe the hoax epileptic Prophet Mohammed who claim he is the messenger of God … nah, he is the messenger of Satan. How come islam knew the hell enough than heaven. Other religion have room in hell, that is how the muslims vividly describe hell. To hell with you all muslims. The world is a better place with any muslim. A good muslim is a dead muslim. Go ahead and nuke Iran.
RESOLUTIONS were indicative of the wrath of Israel which Hezbollah could no longer take because they underestimate the jews. Muslims are no different than HITLER. Obviously they both hated the jews.
Right after election before the year ends, Iran’s vain and pride will be pounded. They should call Satan now as there have no one to turn to. Allah will abandon Iran. Prophet Mohammed is a Hoax. His relatives syndicated the Koran and many stupid muslim believe them then the rest is a history of war and hatred.
Kill all the mullahs. They suck!
I always here comments about how Iran is the problem in the middle-east. Iran is the reason israel dosnt have peace with its “ARAB” neighbors. Iran is the reason the united states is failing in Iraq & Afghanistan. The problem with these arguments is that they are baseless. If israel wants peace. They can have peace. They just have to be fair to the neighbors. Israel and palestine could have peace if israel wouldnt try to dominate them. Every Israeli peace plan divides up palestine even more than it presently is. It gives Israel complete control over palestinian airspace. Takes Jerusalem. Takes control of the water resources and the best land. So the israeli palestinian problem can be solved all iran is doing is funding and arming some palestinians. That isnt gonna stop peace. Palestinians are some of the poorest people in the world and they will still stand up to israel with guns or with rocks it dosnt really matter to them. Irans support dosnt change the facts on the ground. On Afghanistan iran has been fighting the taliban & al qaeda for decades. Back when the united states was supporting al qaeda and courting taliban officials in texas iran was working with the northern alliance to bring them down. So on afghanistan iran is on the “right side”. In Iraq it is stupid to blame iran. How can you treat a country the way the united states did for the better part of a decade. Then go in blow it up. Allow chaos in the streets. Murder and rape their civilians and expect those people to be on your side. For the first 4 years of the war the united states mostly fought sunni insurgents supported financially and with weapons by (saudi arabia) of course we will never hear about this. Iran dose support the shia. Im not saying they havent supported groups that have killed americans. (the united states funds and stratigecally supports terrorist inside iran who have killed hundreds of iranians) But lets look at the big picture. Iraq is irans neighbor. what happens in iraq is very important to iran and saudi arabia for that matter. Iran has already won. Its allies and fellow shia are in power. It dosnt need to fight a war with the united states in iraq. The united states cannot win this war. Iran is just preparing the battlefield for when america leaves. I dont think iran should interfere in Iraqi affairs but it is hypocritical to say the united states can do it but iran cannot. The united states is half way around the world its interest are oil. Iran is a neighbor and has 6 thousand years of history tying it to iraq. Im sorry but those arguments just suck. Also all the “evidence” of iranian weapons used in Iraq are bogues and have been proven to be false. Iran dosnt even produce or use the same mm artilary that is found and is it just me or is it suspicous that all the weapons had english writting all over them? come on if your gonna plant some evidence get smarter people to do it. Plus the roadside bombs the EFP or whatever they are called have been used by the IRA also the technology is not that sophisticated iraqis can build them on their own. Iran wont nuke israel. Iran would be destroyed. Iran wont use it to threaten israel or the us. The bomb if they even want it will be used as a deterance nothing more. Iran hasnt attacked another nation in over 250 years. Basically since the united states declared independence who knows how many wars it has started. Iran since america has been around hasnt started one. Look at irans neighbor hood and compare it to americas neighbors you tell me who is the rouge regime. USA is bordered by canada and mexico. Iran is bordered by, afghanista, iraq, turkey, russia. India, China, Israel, Saudi arabia are all in the region. Pakistan those nutjobs. Iran would be stupid not to get the bomb. Also dont forget about the iran iraq war were the world stood by and enabled and allowed saddam hussein to use WMD against iran. Iran has not forgotten and i believe the way the World treated iran during that war is another reason why the islamic republic want to build a nuclear bomb.
A nuclear attack by any nation has dire consequences, not least israel. Lets not forget that the only nation to murdered civilians with a nuclear weapons is none other than the USA; any excuse for the use of a nuclear weapon is irrelevant.
The ‘case’ supporting an active Iranian nuclear weapons program is smoke and mirrors at best. From the most recent (May 2008) IAEA report:
“16. At follow up meetings in Tehran on 28–30 April and 13–14 May 2008, the Agency presented, for review by Iran, information related to the alleged studies on the green salt project, high explosives testing and the missile re-entry vehicle project (See Annex, Section A). This included information which Iran had declined to review in February 2008 (GOV/2008/4, paras 35, 37–39 and 42). This information, which was provided to the Agency by several Member States, appears to have been derived from multiple sources over different periods of time, is detailed in content, and appears to be generally consistent. (TRANSLATION: WE DON’T KNOW WHERE THESE DOCUMENTS CAME FROM, OR WHEN WE RECEIVED THEM BUT THEY “APPEAR” TO HAVE COME FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES OF DIFFERNT TIME PERIODS.) The Agency received much of this information only in electronic form and was not authorised to provide copies to Iran. (TRANSLATION: WE HAVE THE DOCUMENTS THAT PROVE YOU HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM, BUT WE GOT THEM FROM SOMEONE WHO GAVE THEM TO US ON THE CONDITION WE NOT SHOW THEM TO YOU. WE VIEWED THEM ‘ELECTRONICALLY’ AND HAD NO MEANS TO COPY OR PRINT THEM. NEVERTHELESS, WE REQUIRE YOU TO RESPOND TO THE ALLEGATIONS IN THESE DOCUMENTS THAT WE ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO SHOW YOU. IF YOU FAIL TO RESPOND TO OUR INQUIRIES CONCERNING THESE DOCUMENTS (WHICH WE CAN’T SHOW YOU), WE WILL CONSIDER YOU TO BE NON-RESPONSIVE AND THEREFORE IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDER
21. Concerning the documents purporting to show administrative interconnections between the alleged green salt project and a project to modify the Shahab-3 missile to carry a nuclear warhead, Iran stated that, since some of the documents were not shown to it by the Agency, it could not make an assessment of them. (NOT AN UNREASONABLE REPLY) . Although the Agency had been shown the documents that led it to these conclusions, it was not in possession of the documents and was therefore unfortunately unable to make them available to Iran. (BUT BE ADVISED, IF YOU DON’T TELL US ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS (WHICH WE CAN’T SHOW YOU OR TELL YOU FROM WHOM OR WHEN WE RECEIVED THEM) WE MAY ATTACK BASED ON YOUR UNWILLINGLNESS TO COOPERATE WITH OUR ‘INVESTIGATION’
24. It should be noted that the Agency currently has no information – apart from the uranium metal document (SEE BELOW) – on the actual design or manufacture by Iran of nuclear material components of a nuclear weapon or of certain other key components, such as initiators, or on related nuclear physics studies.
As regards the uranium metal document found in Iran, Pakistan has confirmed, in response to the Agency’s request (GOV/2007/58 para.25), that an identical document exists in Pakistan. (SO THE U.S. ALLY, A NUCLEAR-ARMED PAKISTAN, HAS THE SAME DOCUMENT, YET IT IS IN THIS CONTEXT BEING USED AGAINST IRAN. IRAN DENIES EVER HAVING THE DOCUMENT AND SAYS IT IS NOT IRANIAN AND MUST HAVE COME FROM PAKISTAN. IAEA CAN’T SAY WHERE THEY GOT IT. HMMMM).
Read it ypourself at http://www.iaea.org/Publicatio.....008-15.pdf.
time for uncle scam to give his latest model of anti-bulldozer batteries to mofaz
Tribal leaders backing Iranian dissidents (PMOI/MEK) - Washington Times
Three million Iraqi Shiites condemn Iranian regime, declare support for PMOI (MEK)
Declaration by 5.2m Iraqis in support of the Iranian Mojahedin
121 political parties and social groups, 700,000 women, 14,000 lawyers and jurists, 19,000 physicians, 35,000 engineers, 320 clerics, 540 professors, 2,000 tribal sheikhs and 300 local officials among 5.2 million
This is not about Iran versus Israel. It is about Islamic unrepublic of Mullahs occupying Iran and oppressing Iranians versus the free world. Bombing a few nuclear facilities is as futile as Israeli bombing of Saddam’s reactor in 1980s. Just a show!
If you are righteous in your ways and truly believe in freedom and democracy, then stop the Mullahs by not feeding them. Stop buying oil from the Islamic unrepublic and endure oil shortage for 3 months. That is how long it will take for the military that supports the regime of lies, corruption and murder to turn against the Mullahs and allow the people to topple the regime.
BTW, that last post by an MKO sympathizer is utter nonsense. MKO are another bunch of religious fanatics and just as bad as Mullahs and have no support in Iran.
The beauty and genius of America was always that people would leave behind the conflicts and prejudices of the “old country” and gain a new identity as Americans. The United States flourished because people of diverse backgrounds let go any grudges carried by their respective ethnicities as they began a new life on American shores. Unfortunately, this innocent era of American new beginnings is over.
Now the United States has allowed itself to get dragged into petty tribal/ethnocentric rivalries from the other side of the world. Instead of being a neutral arbiter trying to calm down discordant parties, the US has allowed itself to become a party to the conflict.
The United States must ask itself: Why should it feel threatened by an nuclear Iran when it does not feel similarly threatened by a nuclear China, a nuclear India, or a nuclear Israel. The United States is not even in the range of any Iranian missile, nor does anyone think that if it were Iran would be fool enough to an America with the world’s largest nuclear arsenal. All Iran wants to do is to protect its sovereignty. Israel, on the other hand, has a legitimate fear of an Iranian bomb. It is small enough that a nuclear strike might hurt it, and close enough that Iran might be able to pull off a successful attack. It seems rather hypocritical of the United States though to takes sides with Iran on this issue while it ignores Israel’s possession of the exact same nuclear weapons. Israel has never signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and has not been a good enough citizen of the International Community to openly admit to its possession of said weapons.
The questions we should be asking are these: Why should America be so biased in favor of Israel? Is it possible that US bias has actually intensified the problems in the Middle East and prevented them from playing out naturally? Was 9/11 a stark reminder that the US should not get involved in other people’s conflicts?
It seems clear that America needs to steer clear of ethnocentric/tribal/sectarian strife from the old world. Instead the US should keep its eyes clearly focused a building a future where old tribal identities are set aside in favor of a new identity as citizens of a post-ethnic world.
Should have said:
Nor does anyone think that if the US were (in the range of Iranian missiles) Iran would be fool enough to attack an America with the world’s largest nuclear arsenal.
Give to Israel cruise missiles, F-22 fighters and several old nuclear submarines that can be armed with nuclear weapons in intent to give Israel ability to second stick and by so establishment of deterrent ability that deter her foes and secure her existence. It MUST be the responsibility of US and the West to prevent SECOND HOLOCAUST.
To De Marlo and caimant to be US Citizen: Is your hang over still hanging over your brains? Are not Iranian schisofrenical fanatics call America Big Satan and Israel a small Satan? Did you hear anything about 9/11 done by similar fanatics? Or USS Cole, US marines in Lebanon, other threads on Western way of life? I saw fanatical, looking like a starving begger Ahmadinijad calling for Israel destraction, wiping her from the map. Do not recall anything like this from China or India governments that are leading their people to the greatness and freedom of Western way of life.
Hope now you did understand the reason in USA different attitude?
Guys, please, don’t hell all muslims.
I’ve grown in muslim republic in former USSR. I had muslims to be my friends from a kindergarden. Honest, openharted and devoted. I still respect and love this people as my brothers. And I’m 100% askenazy, related by blood to some of Jewish authorities.
I’m very bloodthirsty toward arab/iranian fanatics. I believe that Israel long ago should answer on their “Grad”(Heil) and Hasams with a heavy lightening, hang families of yeshiva killer/last buldoserist and burry all of them in pig wastyard.
Not all muslims are created equal. Thanks God.
Arkady
[...] Hmm. Actually bombing Iran. That’s even more effective than warmongering. [...]
Iran to hang 30 people in next 24 hours
Saturday, 26 July 2008
Iran Focus: Tehran, Iran, Jul. 26 - Iran announced on Saturday that it would execute 30 people in the next 24 hours.
Executions rising in Iran, Saudi Arabia
Friday, 25 July 2008
AP: Executions jumped by a third in Iran and quadrupled in Saudi Arabia last year, causing the total number of executions around the world to rise yet again in 2007, a human rights group reported Thursday. It said China remained far in front as the world’s top executioner.
UK cites human rights violations in Iran
Tuesday, 22 July 2008
Iran Focus: London, Jul. 22 – Britain on Monday accused Iran of stepping up human rights violations.
EU condemns Iran on death penalty before atom talks
Friday, 18 July 2008
Reuters: The European Union criticised Iran on Friday for a spate of executions and plans to extend the scope of the death penalty, a day before it leads international talks on Tehran’s disputed nuclear programme.
US says it is concerned about student arrests in Iran
Tuesday, 15 July 2008
AFP: The US State Department said Tuesday it was concerned that the Iranian authorities have increased “repression of student activists” following the reported arrests of two more students.
Bush criticizes China, Saudi, Iran on rights
Monday, 14 July 2008
Reuters: President George W. Bush on Monday criticized China, Saudi Arabia and Iran on religious freedoms, but said progress had been made in some countries, including Vietnam.
Spiralling rate of executions in Iran
Monday, 14 July 2008
Iran Focus: Tehran, Iran, Jul. 14 – Six more people were hanged in public in north-eastern Iran, state radio reported on Monday, the latest in the spiralling number of executions in the Islamic Republic.
Iran arrests two prominent student activists
Monday, 14 July 2008
AFP: Iran has arrested two prominent student activists, the latest in a string of detentions following the anniversary of student protests nine years ago, the press reported on Monday.
EU urges Iran not to execute minors
Saturday, 28 June 2008
Iran Focus: London, Jun. 28 - The European Union on Friday urged Iran to halt executions of juvenile offenders.
Two Iranian journalists handed heavy jail terms: report
Tuesday, 24 June 2008
AFP: Two Iranian journalists who wrote for publications for Iran’s ethnic minorities have been handed jail terms of up to 11 years, the Kargozaran newspaper reported.
Bahais detained in Iran contact families
Thursday, 19 June 2008
CNN: Seven Bahai leaders detained by Iranian authorities have contacted their families for the first time since their arrest more than a month ago, the Bahai movement said Thursday.
Iran executes juvenile offender
Friday, 13 June 2008
BBC: Reports from Iran say a boy aged 17 has been hanged, in violation of UN charters signed by Tehran and official pledges not to execute minors.
Iran hangs eight men in capital
Wednesday, 11 June 2008
Iran Focus: Tehran, Iran, Jun. 11 – Iranian authorities hanged eight men in the capital Tehran on Wednesday, state media reported.
UN rights chief asks Iran to stay execution of juvenile offenders
Tuesday, 10 June 2008
AFP: The United Nations top human rights official on Tuesday asked Iran not to execute four offenders sentenced to death over crimes committed when they were under the age of 18.
Man hanged in north-east Iran
Monday, 09 June 2008
Iran Focus: Tehran, Iran, Jun. 9 – Iranian authorities hanged a man in North Khorrasan Province, north-eastern Iran, state media reported on Monday.
Iran: Bahai arrests confirmed
Thursday, 05 June 2008
New York Times: A government spokesman confirmed that a group of Bahai religious leaders had been arrested, but said that the charges against them related to security and not religion.
EU “deeply concern” at planned executions in Iran
Wednesday, 04 June 2008
Iran Focus: London, Jun. 04 - The European Union on Wednesday expressed its “deep concern” at the impending execution of an alleged juvenile offender in Iran.
Larijani condemns Europe’s demand that Iran respect human rights
Friday, 30 May 2008
Iran Focus: Tehran, Iran, May 30 - The new speaker of Iran’s Majlis, Ali Larijani, said on Friday that Europe has no right to demand Iran respect human rights, state media reported.
Bahais accuse Iran of discrimination
Friday, 23 May 2008
AP: Seven Bahai leaders arrested and accused of endangering national security are being persecuted by Iran’s government for their religious beliefs, leaders of the minority faith said Thursday.
EU concerned by arrests of Baha’is in Iran
Wednesday, 21 May 2008
Reuters: The European Union called on Iran on Wednesday to release six members of the Baha’i faith imprisoned on security-related charges, urging Tehran to allow full freedom of religion.
Iran says six Baha’is jailed on security charges
Tuesday, 20 May 2008
Reuters: Iran has imprisoned six members of the Baha’i faith on security-related charges, government spokesman Gholamhossein Elham said on Tuesday.
Iran confirms six Bahai faithful arrested
Tuesday, 20 May 2008
AFP: Iran confirmed on Tuesday it has arrested members of the Bahai religious community, whose faith is banned in the Islamic republic, for acting against the national interest.
Group says six Baha’is detained in Iran
Monday, 19 May 2008
Reuters: The Iranian authorities have detained six members of the Baha’i faith, an offshoot of Islam considered heretical by Iran’s Shi’ite Muslim establishment, members of the religious group said.
Canada expresses concern over arrest of Bahai in Iran
Sunday, 18 May 2008
AFP: Canada expressed concern over the apparent arrest of six Iranian Bahai followers and called for their release, while deploring an “ongoing decline” in the country’s human rights situation.
Iran’s arrest of Baha’is condemned
Saturday, 17 May 2008
CNN: Six Baha’i leaders in Iran were seized and imprisoned this week, the religious group said. The act prompted condemnation and concern from the movement and a top American religious freedom panel.
5 hanged in Iran’s holy city of Qom
Monday, 12 May 2008
Iran Focus: Tehran, Iran, May 12 – Iranian authorities have hanged five men including a teenager in the holy city of Qom, south of Tehran, state media reported on Monday.
4 hanged in Iran’s Evin Prison
Friday, 09 May 2008
Iran Focus: Tehran, Iran, May 09 – Iranian authorities have hanged four men in Tehran’s notorious Evin Prison, state media reported on Thursday.
Iran: Young man faces execution despite international protests
Tuesday, 06 May 2008
AKI: A 20-year-old Iranian is due to be executed on Wednesday for a crime he allegedly committed as a teenager despite international efforts to save his life.
Iran youth who killed love rival faces execution - media
Sunday, 27 April 2008
Reuters: A 17-year-old Iranian youth who knifed and killed a rival suitor for a girl has been sentenced to death by a court in Tehran, a newspaper said on Sunday.
5 hanged in Iran’s Evin Prison
Thursday, 24 April 2008
Iran Focus: Tehran, Iran, Apr. 24 – Iranian authorities have hanged five men in Tehran’s notorious Evin Prison, state media reported on Thursday.
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