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	<title>Comments on: Progressive Jews get &#8216;Righteously Indignant&#8217; at Boston conference</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Just a Few Things I Woulda Blogged About&#8230; - JVoices: your jewish wakeup call</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jta.org/telegraph/2008/05/07/344/progressive-jews-get-righteously-indignant-at-boston-conference/#comment-2383</link>
		<dc:creator>Just a Few Things I Woulda Blogged About&#8230; - JVoices: your jewish wakeup call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 03:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joseph Gindi gave one of the best talks I&#8217;ve heard in awhile about Israel, Palestine, and why ethnic nationalism strikes a discordant note in the goal of achieving true democracy at the Righteous Indignation conference. What I appreciated most about this panel was not that the ideas were new, but how much the panelists strived to use language that moved beyond the rhetoric we all often fall prey to that divides people. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Joseph Gindi gave one of the best talks I&#8217;ve heard in awhile about Israel, Palestine, and why ethnic nationalism strikes a discordant note in the goal of achieving true democracy at the Righteous Indignation conference. What I appreciated most about this panel was not that the ideas were new, but how much the panelists strived to use language that moved beyond the rhetoric we all often fall prey to that divides people. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Horowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Horowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yitzi -- Settling the land of Israel is certainly a mitzvah.  However, Zionism, which was a secular nationalist movement, was and is still by many considered assur and against the Torah.  Tzvi Yehuda Kook may have managed to convince those who hold by YU and the OU that you can redeem secular Zionism by coopting it for holy purposes, but no one who holds by the Agudah has ever truly believed that.

David -- Dan Sieradski, who wrote this post, and Steven I. Weiss (another well-known Jewish blogger) debated the very subject you raise on Jewcy.com some time ago.  I recommend checking out &lt;a href="http://69.36.40.219/dialogue/01-15/day_1_is_social_justice_the_soul_of_judaism" rel="nofollow"&gt;their discussion&lt;/a&gt; and perhaps rethinking your statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yitzi &#8212; Settling the land of Israel is certainly a mitzvah.  However, Zionism, which was a secular nationalist movement, was and is still by many considered assur and against the Torah.  Tzvi Yehuda Kook may have managed to convince those who hold by YU and the OU that you can redeem secular Zionism by coopting it for holy purposes, but no one who holds by the Agudah has ever truly believed that.</p>
<p>David &#8212; Dan Sieradski, who wrote this post, and Steven I. Weiss (another well-known Jewish blogger) debated the very subject you raise on <a href="http://Jewcy.com" title="http://Jewcy.com" target="_blank">Jewcy.com</a> some time ago.  I recommend checking out <a href="http://69.36.40.219/dialogue/01-15/day_1_is_social_justice_the_soul_of_judaism" rel="nofollow">their discussion</a> and perhaps rethinking your statements.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth King</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jta.org/telegraph/2008/05/07/344/progressive-jews-get-righteously-indignant-at-boston-conference/#comment-2333</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 23:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I upgraded FlASH PLAYER but still have difficulty understanding the Speakers. Is it possible to get written copies of speeches, particularly the one by Joseph Gindi. Thank you, Ruth King</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I upgraded FlASH PLAYER but still have difficulty understanding the Speakers. Is it possible to get written copies of speeches, particularly the one by Joseph Gindi. Thank you, Ruth King</p>
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		<title>By: David Eckhaus</title>
		<link>http://blogs.jta.org/telegraph/2008/05/07/344/progressive-jews-get-righteously-indignant-at-boston-conference/#comment-2322</link>
		<dc:creator>David Eckhaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These Liberal Jews who wear the cloak of Righteousness, believe they alone are good and of course better than their characterized right wing conservatives. They cannot live without investing themselves into everyones lives in order to give their lives some meaning.
They live in their own dream world in which they can control through "good intentions" the the goals of others lives.
They cannot fined any nation on Earth with a liberal persuasion that has accomplished what Representative government and capitalism has given
the great experiment called the United States of America.
The idea that Liberalism is being Jewish is the height of arrogance of those who hold themselves to be superior to all others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These Liberal Jews who wear the cloak of Righteousness, believe they alone are good and of course better than their characterized right wing conservatives. They cannot live without investing themselves into everyones lives in order to give their lives some meaning.<br />
They live in their own dream world in which they can control through &#8220;good intentions&#8221; the the goals of others lives.<br />
They cannot fined any nation on Earth with a liberal persuasion that has accomplished what Representative government and capitalism has given<br />
the great experiment called the United States of America.<br />
The idea that Liberalism is being Jewish is the height of arrogance of those who hold themselves to be superior to all others.</p>
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		<title>By: YITZI</title>
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		<dc:creator>YITZI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"a new program which brings American Jewish leaders to visit with Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. "  I say let's visit Israel.  Israel needs us more than the Muslims.

" and lamented what he sees as the damage to diaspora Jewish communities’ sense of self-worth wrought by the primacy given to Zionism. "  Our Chumash tells us that Zionisim is part of being Jewish.  Which of the speakers is Jewish and which likes the Muslim line better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a new program which brings American Jewish leaders to visit with Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. &#8221;  I say let&#8217;s visit Israel.  Israel needs us more than the Muslims.</p>
<p>&#8221; and lamented what he sees as the damage to diaspora Jewish communities’ sense of self-worth wrought by the primacy given to Zionism. &#8221;  Our Chumash tells us that Zionisim is part of being Jewish.  Which of the speakers is Jewish and which likes the Muslim line better?</p>
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