J Street—countering the establishment or embracing it?-UPDATE http://blogs.jta.org/ENTRY_PERMALINK_HERE/j-street-countering-the-establishment-or-embracing-it/ J Street, the "pro-peace, pro-Israel" lobby, has come a long way since its inception just about 18 months ago, and not just because its conference later this month is drawing 160 Congress members (about half the number that attend AIPAC’s annual gala.) en-us rkampeas@jta.org Copyright 2009 2009-10-07T;19:57:00-05:00 Comment by leroy oakmont oakmontl@yahoo.com First of all, because we are still in the period of Repentance (which ends with Shmini Atzeret), I will ignore your FILTHY RACIST comment ( (Are you sure you’re not African-American?  I mean, “leroy”?????) Someone named “mavrikos” has problems with “Oakmont” as a Jewish name?  What hypocrisy! And, of course, you would defend YOUR SOCK PUPPET, blackie! First of all, because we are still in the period of Repentance
(which ends with Shmini Atzeret), I will ignore your FILTHY RACIST comment ( (Are you sure you’re not African-American?  I mean, “leroy”?????)
Someone named “mavrikos” has problems with “Oakmont” as a Jewish name?  What hypocrisy!
And, of course, you would defend YOUR SOCK PUPPET, blackie!

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by leroy oakmont oakmontl@yahoo.com blackie: you really do need to see a therapist about your masculinity issues. blackie:

you really do need to see a therapist about your masculinity issues.

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by leroy oakmont oakmontl@yahoo.com Cheryl and others: “goya” is a good Yiddish word, preferable to the historically-odious associations suggested by its synonym, “shiksa.” If you, Cheryl, had a authentic knowledge of Yiddish- as opposed to what gentiles in New York can pick up on the street from Jewish acquaintances or online- you would have known that!  Moreover, a reader/poster in a previous thread demonstrated your lack of Jewish genealogical bona-fides, so feel free to drop the pretense. As someone who once suggested that Ted Kennedy should have been euthanized- as you, Cheryl, once did in a thread in a previous JTA blog entry - you have no moral standing to judge other people. Cheryl and others: “goya” is a good Yiddish word, preferable to the historically-odious associations suggested by its synonym, “shiksa.”
If you, Cheryl, had a authentic knowledge of Yiddish- as opposed to what gentiles in New York can pick up on the street from Jewish acquaintances or online- you would have known that! 
Moreover, a reader/poster in a previous thread demonstrated your lack of Jewish genealogical bona-fides, so feel free to drop the pretense.
As someone who once suggested that Ted Kennedy should have been euthanized- as you, Cheryl, once did in a thread in a previous JTA blog entry - you have no moral standing to judge other people.

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by blackie sschwartz@inbox.com P, You’re known here as a prevaricating, left-wing progressive puppet. Every word you say about J Street and their diabolical strategy for turning Israel into Palestine is traitorous. “Breath of fresh air”, indeed! It’s more like a rush of contaminated pro-Pali stench! P,
You’re known here as a prevaricating, left-wing progressive puppet. Every word you say about J Street and their diabolical strategy for turning Israel into Palestine is traitorous. “Breath of fresh air”, indeed! It’s more like a rush of contaminated pro-Pali stench!

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by blackie sschwartz@inbox.com “lo”, We’re not “Orthodox, right-wing”, we’re real Jews of every persuasion who know that Israel must never belong to her genocidal enemies. You are obviously not a real Jew, but a disingenuous coward. P.S. Jonathan Sarna was a sissified sellout in Cincinnati and he’s still a sissified sellout! “lo”,
We’re not “Orthodox, right-wing”, we’re real Jews of every persuasion who know that Israel must never belong to her genocidal enemies. You are obviously not a real Jew, but a disingenuous coward.

P.S. Jonathan Sarna was a sissified sellout in Cincinnati and he’s still a sissified sellout!

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by Dan Leubitz nycdan@gmail.com A fight, would suggest 2 parties duking it out for recognition. J-street, got 160 members to endorse it, is simply due to its fabrication and misrepresentation of who actually supports it.  Its policy goes against 96% of israeli Public, against the grains of recent poll by ajc http://www.ajc.org/site/c.ijITI2PHKoG/b.5472819/k.D6D7/2009_Annual_Survey_of_American_Jewish_Opinion.htm. J-street represents itself, it polls its own support base, and publishes the figures and accurately portraying the jewish people . Supporters of Jstreet “are all intermarried,” says Jeremy Ben-Ami, J Street’s founder and director. “They’re all doing Buddhist seders.” They are “baffled,” as the Times puts it, by the notion of — in Ben-Ami’s words — “Israel as the place you can always count on when they come to get you.” The dayschools ill prepared jewish youth with information about Zionism as a whole, that once subjected to counter arguments, fell easy prey.  ( Note: i had a decent sunday school teacher, although we disagreed on Jonathan Pollard) Jstreet addresses those disenfranchised jews who feel guilty about their Judaism as a whole and seek to apologize for anything resembling contrary to their 4th grade level of jewish understanding. J-streets minor success is simply from the use of Obfuscation of its stats and preying on the uninformed. Join http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=133282082589&ref=mf the facebook group J Street Does NOT represent me! A fight, would suggest 2 parties duking it out for recognition. J-street, got 160 members to endorse it, is simply due to its fabrication and misrepresentation of who actually supports it.  Its policy goes against 96% of israeli Public, against the grains of recent poll by ajc http://www.ajc.org/site/c.ijITI2PHKoG/b.5472819/k.D6D7/2009_Annual_Survey_of_American_Jewish_Opinion.htm.

J-street represents itself, it polls its own support base, and publishes the figures and accurately portraying the jewish people .

Supporters of Jstreet “are all intermarried,” says Jeremy Ben-Ami, J Street’s founder and director. “They’re all doing Buddhist seders.” They are “baffled,” as the Times puts it, by the notion of — in Ben-Ami’s words — “Israel as the place you can always count on when they come to get you.”

The dayschools ill prepared jewish youth with information about Zionism as a whole, that once subjected to counter arguments, fell easy prey. 

( Note: i had a decent sunday school teacher, although we disagreed on Jonathan Pollard)

Jstreet addresses those disenfranchised jews who feel guilty about their Judaism as a whole and seek to apologize for anything resembling contrary to their 4th grade level of jewish understanding.

J-streets minor success is simply from the use of Obfuscation of its stats and preying on the uninformed.

Join http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=133282082589&ref=mf the facebook group J Street Does NOT represent me!

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by Jackie Cappiello jcappiello@knology.net I agree with Cheryl and Rob, but being a bit older (over 80) I can recall being chased home from school by my “friends” calling me a Christ-killer.  It’s one of the reasons I have long been a Zionist.  Another reason was the hatred expressed by the Arab delegates to the UN after the partition vote in 1947.  I was there, by the way.  After knowing what had happened in Europe, I feared these madmen even more.  I often think the reason the UN voted for partition was the European delegates knew the Arabs would invade and they hoped the Arab armies would provide the Final Solution to the Jewish problem that Hitler failed to accomplish.  But age has made me increasingly cynical. I agree with Cheryl and Rob, but being a bit older (over 80) I can recall being chased home from school by my “friends” calling me a Christ-killer.  It’s one of the reasons I have long been a Zionist.  Another reason was the hatred expressed by the Arab delegates to the UN after the partition vote in 1947.  I was there, by the way.  After knowing what had happened in Europe, I feared these madmen even more.  I often think the reason the UN voted for partition was the European delegates knew the Arabs would invade and they hoped the Arab armies would provide the Final Solution to the Jewish problem that Hitler failed to accomplish.  But age has made me increasingly cynical.

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by leroy oakmont oakmontl@yahoo.com Professor Jonathan Sarna has FORGOTTEN more about American Jewish history than goya Cheryl and Brownstein will ever know. As to the “Orthodox, right-wing coming forward to defend Israel"- which Orthodox?  Jack Abramoff, the million$ tax cheats, the child molesters, the organ transplant ganavim, the Agriprocessors crowd?  With “defenders” like that, Israel hasn’t got a chance! Professor Jonathan Sarna has FORGOTTEN more about American Jewish history than goya Cheryl and Brownstein will ever know.
As to the “Orthodox, right-wing coming forward to defend Israel"- which Orthodox?  Jack Abramoff, the million$ tax cheats, the child molesters, the organ transplant ganavim, the Agriprocessors crowd?  With “defenders” like that, Israel hasn’t got a chance!

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by Rob Brownstein rob.brownstein@litepoint.com Cheryl, we’re on the same page, again. Compared to European Jews, American Jews (religious or otherwise) have suffered nothing like the kinds of discrimination they’ve had to deal with. As a kid, my parents bought a summer house in a community in upstate New York that had had signs prohibiting Jews back in the 1930s. After World War II, laws that made such discrimination illegal allowed anyone including Jews to buy there, but the community still discriminated with membership in its country club. Wow, compare that to the pogroms of eastern Europe. A lot of Americans breathed a sigh of relief when post-War refugees went to Palestine instead of the U.S. The J-Streeters are not pro-Israel anymore than Noam Chomsky is pro-Israel. Cheryl, we’re on the same page, again. Compared to European Jews, American Jews (religious or otherwise) have suffered nothing like the kinds of discrimination they’ve had to deal with. As a kid, my parents bought a summer house in a community in upstate New York that had had signs prohibiting Jews back in the 1930s. After World War II, laws that made such discrimination illegal allowed anyone including Jews to buy there, but the community still discriminated with membership in its country club. Wow, compare that to the pogroms of eastern Europe. A lot of Americans breathed a sigh of relief when post-War refugees went to Palestine instead of the U.S. The J-Streeters are not pro-Israel anymore than Noam Chomsky is pro-Israel.

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by Yosef Hartuv yosefandmelody@gmail.com There is no street in Washington named for the letter “J,” but that hasn’t stopped a group of critics of Israel from forming the “J Street” lobby. It’s like J. K. Rowling’s invisible Platform 9 ¾ at the King’s Cross Station. Befitting a Harry Potter character, J Street performs acts of illusion and deception such as cooking its polling data and presenting it as scientific truth. The “pro-Israel” J Street PAC has cloaked dozens of PAC contributors as plain citizens, when they are actually Arab-American, Palestinian, Islamic, and pro-Iranian activists. All the while, J Street hides the names of its directors and has never explained who makes its controversial decisions. http://calevbenyefuneh.blogspot.com/2009/09/peeling-off-j-streets-invisibility.html#links Also: http://calevbenyefuneh.blogspot.com/2009/09/soros-axelrod-axis-j-street-gang.html#links There is no street in Washington named for the letter “J,” but that hasn’t stopped a group of critics of Israel from forming the “J Street” lobby. It’s like J. K. Rowling’s invisible Platform 9 ¾ at the King’s Cross Station. Befitting a Harry Potter character, J Street performs acts of illusion and deception such as cooking its polling data and presenting it as scientific truth. The “pro-Israel” J Street PAC has cloaked dozens of PAC contributors as plain citizens, when they are actually Arab-American, Palestinian, Islamic, and pro-Iranian activists. All the while, J Street hides the names of its directors and has never explained who makes its controversial decisions.
http://calevbenyefuneh.blogspot.com/2009/09/peeling-off-j-streets-invisibility.html#links
Also: http://calevbenyefuneh.blogspot.com/2009/09/soros-axelrod-axis-j-street-gang.html#links

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by Providence tannenwald@hotmail.com J Street is a breath of fresh air.  They add a long overdue sensible, rational pro-Israel, pro-peace perspective to the debate.  They’re doing so well because they reflect the views of a majority of American Jews, who are mainstream liberals.  The right wing is panicking because they’ve lost their monopoly on the debate.  J Street is good for the US and good for Israel.  You know the right wing is desperate when they really have to distort what J-Street is in order to make any criticisms of it.  If you don’t know much about J-Street, go to their website and check them out for yourself. J Street is a breath of fresh air.  They add a long overdue sensible, rational pro-Israel, pro-peace perspective to the debate.  They’re doing so well because they reflect the views of a majority of American Jews, who are mainstream liberals.  The right wing is panicking because they’ve lost their monopoly on the debate.  J Street is good for the US and good for Israel. 

You know the right wing is desperate when they really have to distort what J-Street is in order to make any criticisms of it.  If you don’t know much about J-Street, go to their website and check them out for yourself.

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