More on UNRWA, Hamas and Holocaust denial http://blogs.jta.org/ENTRY_PERMALINK_HERE/more-on-unrwa-hamas-and-holocaust-denial/ Credit J Street with being first out of the gate in condemning Hamas for seeking to suppress Holocaust education at UNRWA schools in the Gaza Strip. en-us rkampeas@jta.org Copyright 2009 2009-09-03T;00:15:00-05:00 Comment by David R. Evans dave7819@yahoo.com Kerry Winn, You are spouting nonsense and myths.  The land that became Israel was thriving and teeming with modern towns before the arrival of Jews in large numbers.  Check out some of the pre-Nakba photos on this site: http://www.palestineremembered.com/OldNewPictures.html Tiny Israel was all too happy “absorbing” any people who could breathe and claim they were Jewish, as the intent was to fill up the new state (which overran the boundaries allotted to it in 1948) with as many non-Arab Palestinians as possible.  That process is still ongoing as the Wall is encroaching into Palestinian lands, and people are still being thrown out of their homes to make way for more Jewish immigrants.  Very little land was purchased legally.  Most of what became Israel was stolen. http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/photos/maps/landloss.html In 1945, on the 26.4 million dunams of land in Palestine, 12.8 million was owned by Arabs, 1.5 million by Jews, 1.5 million was public and 10.6 millions constituted the desertic Beersheba district (Negev). In terms of arable land, 7.8 million was owned by Arabs, 1.2 million by Jews and 0.2 million by public.[1][2] By 1949, some 700,000 Palestinians had fled or been expelled from their lands and villages. Israel was now in control of some 20.5 million dunams (approx. 20 500 km²) of lands in what had been Mandate Palestine : 8 percent (approx. 1,650 km²) were privately controlled by Jews, 6% (approx. 1,300 km²) by Arabs, with the remaining 86 percent under the control of the government.[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_and_Property_Laws_in_Israel All of what you say in your post is false.  It may be what you believe to be true, but, like most of the myths of Israel, it is false. For some of the other myths that many of us believe to be true: http://www.antiwar.com/cook/?articleid=9407 Kerry Winn, You are spouting nonsense and myths.  The land that became Israel was thriving and teeming with modern towns before the arrival of Jews in large numbers.  Check out some of the pre-Nakba photos on this site:

http://www.palestineremembered.com/OldNewPictures.html

Tiny Israel was all too happy “absorbing” any people who could breathe and claim they were Jewish, as the intent was to fill up the new state (which overran the boundaries allotted to it in 1948) with as many non-Arab Palestinians as possible.  That process is still ongoing as the Wall is encroaching into Palestinian lands, and people are still being thrown out of their homes to make way for more Jewish immigrants. 
Very little land was purchased legally.  Most of what became Israel was stolen.

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/photos/maps/landloss.html

In 1945, on the 26.4 million dunams of land in Palestine, 12.8 million was owned by Arabs, 1.5 million by Jews, 1.5 million was public and 10.6 millions constituted the desertic Beersheba district (Negev). In terms of arable land, 7.8 million was owned by Arabs, 1.2 million by Jews and 0.2 million by public.[1][2] By 1949, some 700,000 Palestinians had fled or been expelled from their lands and villages. Israel was now in control of some 20.5 million dunams (approx. 20 500 km²) of lands in what had been Mandate Palestine : 8 percent (approx. 1,650 km²) were privately controlled by Jews, 6% (approx. 1,300 km²) by Arabs, with the remaining 86 percent under the control of the government.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_and_Property_Laws_in_Israel

All of what you say in your post is false.  It may be what you believe to be true, but, like most of the myths of Israel, it is false.

For some of the other myths that many of us believe to be true:

http://www.antiwar.com/cook/?articleid=9407

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by Kerry Winn kerrywinn@earthlink.net David Evans, You are off in your claim. The Holy Land was quite desolate prior to the arrival of the Jews.  Read Churchill, Twain, and Marx for insight.  sure there were Arabs living there, but similar to many indiginous groups, the land did not contain a “civilization” of any sort.  It was a backwater, and ignored by the intolerant Arab World until Zionists started to settle.  Try perusing the photographs of the land prior to Jews building a civilization there. Additionally, you fail to mention that the Zionists purchased the land, from the Ottoman Empire, with Rothchilde’s money. More than 650,000 Jews were expelled from Arab lands during the 1950’s, after the Arab had the asses kicked by Israel.  Tiny Israel absorbed its brethren.  Why won’t the vase Arab World absorb their brethren?  Because they hope to annihilate Israel, and are using their brethren as cannon fodder against Israel. A Deist, Feminist, Goy, Zionist. David Evans,

You are off in your claim. The Holy Land was quite desolate prior to the arrival of the Jews.  Read Churchill, Twain, and Marx for insight.  sure there were Arabs living there, but similar to many indiginous groups, the land did not contain a “civilization” of any sort.  It was a backwater, and ignored by the intolerant Arab World until Zionists started to settle.  Try perusing the photographs of the land prior to Jews building a civilization there.

Additionally, you fail to mention that the Zionists purchased the land, from the Ottoman Empire, with Rothchilde’s money.

More than 650,000 Jews were expelled from Arab lands during the 1950’s, after the Arab had the asses kicked by Israel.  Tiny Israel absorbed its brethren.  Why won’t the vase Arab World absorb their brethren?  Because they hope to annihilate Israel, and are using their brethren as cannon fodder against Israel.

A Deist, Feminist, Goy, Zionist.

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by David R. Evans dave7819@yahoo.com Rob Brownstein, Your comment here implies that Israel was createn in a near “empty land”, the myth that zionists use to justify the building of a Jewish State.  This lie is patently false, as hundreds of thousands of “others” lived on the land that Israel now occupies.  Even just before 1948, after decades of immigration of Jewish people into Palestine (You are correct that Jews and others of this land were referred to as Palestinians), Jews accounted for less than 1/3 of the population of what became Israel.  Jews have ALWAYS been a minority population in the “Holy Lands”.  So what right do Zionists have in forcing the majority of people out of their way to build the State of Israel?  This practice is ongoing today, as accellerated settlement-building in East Jerusalem and other parts of the West Bank continues.  The reason for any anti-Semitism in the Middle East, indeed around the World, is because of Israel’s aggressive expansion and nation-building at the expense of other indigenous people.  Immigration and expansion preceeded anti-Semitism, as Jews, Muslims, Christians and others lived in harmony for centuries before Zionists upset the tranquility between the various groups of Palestine. Rob Brownstein,

Your comment here implies that Israel was createn in a near “empty land”, the myth that zionists use to justify the building of a Jewish State.  This lie is patently false, as hundreds of thousands of “others” lived on the land that Israel now occupies.  Even just before 1948, after decades of immigration of Jewish people into Palestine (You are correct that Jews and others of this land were referred to as Palestinians), Jews accounted for less than 1/3 of the population of what became Israel.  Jews have ALWAYS been a minority population in the “Holy Lands”.  So what right do Zionists have in forcing the majority of people out of their way to build the State of Israel?  This practice is ongoing today, as accellerated settlement-building in East Jerusalem and other parts of the West Bank continues.  The reason for any anti-Semitism in the Middle East, indeed around the World, is because of Israel’s aggressive expansion and nation-building at the expense of other indigenous people.  Immigration and expansion preceeded anti-Semitism, as Jews, Muslims, Christians and others lived in harmony for centuries before Zionists upset the tranquility between the various groups of Palestine.

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by blackie sschwartz@inbox.com You Jew haters are puke. We’ve got Israel and you pukes will never get her. What are you going to do about that, chickensh**??? You Jew haters are puke. We’ve got Israel and you pukes will never get her. What are you going to do about that, chickensh**???

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by David david.ehrens@gmail.com Nice job, blackie. I see you’ve been reading your cue cards from frontpagemad. Don’t forget to look on the fridge for the reminder to take your clozapine. Nice job, blackie. I see you’ve been reading your cue cards from frontpagemad. Don’t forget to look on the fridge for the reminder to take your clozapine.

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by blackie sschwartz@inbox.com The only “Nakba” (catastrophe) we see here is the unholy alliance between DE and KK (proud J Street puppet). Anyone who agrees with the genocidal Hamas terrorists (i.e Israel is a “Nakba") should forfeit the privilege of calling themselves a Jew, and be deported to live with the bottomfeeding Palis. The only “Nakba” (catastrophe) we see here is the unholy alliance between DE and KK (proud J Street puppet). Anyone who agrees with the genocidal Hamas terrorists (i.e Israel is a “Nakba") should forfeit the privilege of calling themselves a Jew, and be deported to live with the bottomfeeding Palis.

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by Rob Brownstein rob.brownstein@litepoint.com It never ceases to amaze me how some things must be repeated, over and over again, before it sinks in. There seems to be this pervasive perception that Israel and Zionism are a direct consequence of the Holocaust. Along with that perception is this image of an Arabic “Palestine” that was suddenly inundated with Jewish refugees that survived the Holocaust. Both are patently false. Zionism began in earnest before the 20th century driven by pervasive anti-Semitism in Europe. By the time of the Holocaust onset, Tel-Aviv already existed and the number of Jews in many parts of the former Turkish-ruled area was far greater than that of Muslims or Christians. There was already an effort to create an Israel in 1937 - before World War II and the Holocaust. The Holocaust just heightened the urgency for having a safe haven for Jews. And the guilt of the world in the aftermath of the Holocaust helped to hasten the UN’s partition declaration in 1947. Prior to the establishment of Israel, there was a League of Nations mandate establishing British responsibility and control of the former Turkish-ruled area. There was no country of Palestine, and all the inhabitants, Jews, Muslims and Christians could have been described as “Palestinians.” To equate the creation of Israel with the occurence of the Holocaust - as Obama seemed to intimate - is simply incorrect. Had there been no Holocaust, but just continued pervasive anti-Semitism, the Zionist movement would have continued. The end result may have happened later than 1948, but the pressure to establish a Jewish homeland - in an area already largely populated by Jews - would have continued. The Holocaust just changed the timing. Had there been an Israel established in 1937, there would have been a place for Europes Jews to escape to. Nowhere else in the world was willing to take them in. Unfortunately, there was not. So, 6 million innocents paid with their lives for the sin of bigotry and hatred. That Israel arose from the ashes of Auschwitz, Bergen Belsen, Belzec, Majdanek, Treblinka, and other death camps was certainly more than incidental but far from the whole story. It never ceases to amaze me how some things must be repeated, over and over again, before it sinks in. There seems to be this pervasive perception that Israel and Zionism are a direct consequence of the Holocaust. Along with that perception is this image of an Arabic “Palestine” that was suddenly inundated with Jewish refugees that survived the Holocaust. Both are patently false. Zionism began in earnest before the 20th century driven by pervasive anti-Semitism in Europe. By the time of the Holocaust onset, Tel-Aviv already existed and the number of Jews in many parts of the former Turkish-ruled area was far greater than that of Muslims or Christians. There was already an effort to create an Israel in 1937 - before World War II and the Holocaust. The Holocaust just heightened the urgency for having a safe haven for Jews. And the guilt of the world in the aftermath of the Holocaust helped to hasten the UN’s partition declaration in 1947. Prior to the establishment of Israel, there was a League of Nations mandate establishing British responsibility and control of the former Turkish-ruled area. There was no country of Palestine, and all the inhabitants, Jews, Muslims and Christians could have been described as “Palestinians.” To equate the creation of Israel with the occurence of the Holocaust - as Obama seemed to intimate - is simply incorrect. Had there been no Holocaust, but just continued pervasive anti-Semitism, the Zionist movement would have continued. The end result may have happened later than 1948, but the pressure to establish a Jewish homeland - in an area already largely populated by Jews - would have continued. The Holocaust just changed the timing. Had there been an Israel established in 1937, there would have been a place for Europes Jews to escape to. Nowhere else in the world was willing to take them in. Unfortunately, there was not. So, 6 million innocents paid with their lives for the sin of bigotry and hatred. That Israel arose from the ashes of Auschwitz, Bergen Belsen, Belzec, Majdanek, Treblinka, and other death camps was certainly more than incidental but far from the whole story.

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by Kevin Kamberg oregonrainsticks@gmail.com Echo David Ehrens. It’s easy to criticize Hamas for it’s biased educational meddling. But the reality is that what Hamas did here is not fundamentally any different than Israeli bans on Nakba education. Echo David Ehrens.

It’s easy to criticize Hamas for it’s biased educational meddling. But the reality is that what Hamas did here is not fundamentally any different than Israeli bans on Nakba education.

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by David david.ehrens@gmail.com Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Every one of these organizations came down on Hamas like a ton of bricks for opposing Holocaust education. Now that THAT business is concluded, I’d like to see ALL of them condemn the Israeli government for banning Nakba education. Of course there’s a difference between genocide and “mere” ethnic cleansing (plus maybe a bit of murder and mayhem thrown in), but both are worthy of condemnation. Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Every one of these organizations came down on Hamas like a ton of bricks for opposing Holocaust education. Now that THAT business is concluded, I’d like to see ALL of them condemn the Israeli government for banning Nakba education. Of course there’s a difference between genocide and “mere” ethnic cleansing (plus maybe a bit of murder and mayhem thrown in), but both are worthy of condemnation.

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