‘Stand up and be counted’ http://blogs.jta.org/ENTRY_PERMALINK_HERE/stand-up-and-be-counted/ Isi Leibler writes in The Jerusalem Post that American Jews need to get tougher with President Obama—for Israel’s sake: en-us aeden@jta.org Copyright 2009 2009-07-28T;17:33:00-05:00 Comment by Paul Winter winfamly@bigpond.net.au People who quote Shlaim or Amnesty as authoritative unbiassed sources are dishonest and/or fools. People who claim that Israel is an aggressor, colonial, land stealing state and never mention the uncompromising, aggressive, lying Arabs demonstrate Sharansky’s three “Ds” of antisemitism: delegitimisation, demonisation and double standards. Now getting to the article by isi Liebler. He called on USA Jews to stand up for Israel and to tell Hussein Soetoro (aka Barrack Obama) that he is wrong and his policy is alienating a friend and ally at the sme time that he is earning the contempt if the Mohammedans he is courting. Equally to the point is that Jews need to assert their right to be treated as the loyal citizens that they are and not as Neal Sher observed a few years ago, as guests in their own country. The USA’s president is doing a disservice to Israel, the USA, moderate Muslim and the free world in general. He is an ignorant ideologue who needs to be confronted by reality and by Jews who have principles and who will not bow down before someone in high office. People who quote Shlaim or Amnesty as authoritative unbiassed sources are dishonest and/or fools. People who claim that Israel is an aggressor, colonial, land stealing state and never mention the uncompromising, aggressive, lying Arabs demonstrate Sharansky’s three “Ds” of antisemitism: delegitimisation, demonisation and double standards.

Now getting to the article by isi Liebler. He called on USA Jews to stand up for Israel and to tell Hussein Soetoro (aka Barrack Obama) that he is wrong and his policy is alienating a friend and ally at the sme time that he is earning the contempt if the Mohammedans he is courting. Equally to the point is that Jews need to assert their right to be treated as the loyal citizens that they are and not as Neal Sher observed a few years ago, as guests in their own country. The USA’s president is doing a disservice to Israel, the USA, moderate Muslim and the free world in general. He is an ignorant ideologue who needs to be confronted by reality and by Jews who have principles and who will not bow down before someone in high office.

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by Alex Golan 74rivka@msn.com Mr. Evans! Anti-Semitism, like stupidity cannot be unlearned. You chose to disregard facts, mentioned by others, because they don’t fit your warped views. Let’s make this simple: There was never a nation called Palestinians. Most of today’s so-called Palestinians are, like most Israeli Jews, descendants of immigrants; in the Arabs’ case, these were farmworkers imported by the effendis to work their latifundia. Jewish settlement in the early 20th century actually increased the influx of Arabs into Eretz Israel because the Jews treated these workers better than the effendis would. After the War of Independence, caused by the aggression of the Arab League, a population exchange occurred, like after many wars, e.g. Greeks and Turks after WW I, Muslims and Hindus after the partition of the Indian subcontinent into India and Pakistan in 1948. Finally, Eretz Israel belongs to us as it ever did. Nobody, particularly nincompoops like B.Hussein Obama or you, will ever displace us from there. Like an old Middle Eastern proverb states:"The mangy dogs may bark, but the caravan moves on relentlessly.” Mr. Evans! Anti-Semitism, like stupidity cannot be unlearned. You chose to disregard facts, mentioned by others, because they don’t fit your warped views. Let’s make this simple: There was never a nation called Palestinians. Most of today’s so-called Palestinians are, like most Israeli Jews, descendants of immigrants; in the Arabs’ case, these were farmworkers imported by the effendis to work their latifundia. Jewish settlement in the early 20th century actually increased the influx of Arabs into Eretz Israel because the Jews treated these workers better than the effendis would. After the War of Independence, caused by the aggression of the Arab League, a population exchange occurred, like after many wars, e.g. Greeks and Turks after WW I, Muslims and Hindus after the partition of the Indian subcontinent into India and Pakistan in 1948.
Finally, Eretz Israel belongs to us as it ever did. Nobody, particularly nincompoops like B.Hussein Obama or you, will ever displace us from there. Like an old Middle Eastern proverb states:"The mangy dogs may bark, but the caravan moves on relentlessly.”

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by N. Shuster nashu24@yahoo.com Evans: In November 1947. the Jewish population of what was about to become Israel through its representatives, although bitterly disappointed, accepted the decision of the United Nations. The Arabs rejected it and declared war. There have been many wars since and many dead, many dislocations on both sides. This went on for over half century. Israel prevailed, the Arabs lost. They provoked one conflict after another driving themselves and the Israelis to near-insanity. They can not be rewarded for this. In a sliver of a land that is fifty miles wide at its broadest and dangerously ten-miles at its narrowest, there is nothing to reward its tormentors with that would allow Israel to continue living. They cannot demand redress for problems caused by them or their friends. Nevertheless, Israel on many occasions has expressed the desire to help with the final resolution of the refugee problem. Arab response? Not interested.  I have been to Israel many times and have been amazed at the accomplishments of its heroic people under circumstances that would have broken others, and therefore none of your links would make me see Israel or its magnificent people as the villains some of your ilk see. I live in the real world. End of story. Evans:
In November 1947. the Jewish population of what was about to become Israel through its representatives, although bitterly disappointed, accepted the decision of the United Nations.
The Arabs rejected it and declared war.
There have been many wars since and many dead, many dislocations on both sides. This went on for over half century. Israel prevailed, the Arabs lost. They provoked one conflict after another driving themselves and the Israelis to near-insanity.
They can not be rewarded for this. In a sliver of a land that is fifty miles wide at its broadest and dangerously ten-miles at its narrowest, there is nothing to reward its tormentors with that would allow Israel to continue living. They cannot demand redress for problems caused by them or their friends. Nevertheless, Israel on many occasions has expressed the desire to help with the final resolution of the refugee problem. Arab response? Not interested.  I have been to Israel many times and have been amazed at the accomplishments of its heroic people under circumstances that would have broken others, and therefore none of your links would make me see Israel or its magnificent people as the villains some of your ilk see. I live in the real world.
End of story.

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by David R. Evans dave7819@yahoo.com also, please read this brief article by the founder of a website that I referred to.  It is not a “tainted” site, as you have baselessly charged.  Please back up your allegations with more than ignorant opinion: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/argus/index.ssf?/base/news/1233948071163500.xml&coll=6 also, please read this brief article by the founder of a website that I referred to.  It is not a “tainted” site, as you have baselessly charged.  Please back up your allegations with more than ignorant opinion:

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/argus/index.ssf?/base/news/1233948071163500.xml&coll=6

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by David R. Evans dave7819@yahoo.com Check out this article: http://mondediplo.com/2008/09/07israel Check out this article:

http://mondediplo.com/2008/09/07israel

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by David R. Evans dave7819@yahoo.com Mr. Shuster, your question, “If the American Indian is considered the aboriginal, why do you reject the Jewish people’s rights in their own homeland?” is a confused analogy, as Palestinians who were descended on by Jewish immigrants are more analogous to our aboriginal people on the North American continent.  So it is I who should be asking you why you reject the rights of Palestinians to their homeland. The Zionist notion of a “right of return” is bogus, as Jews in massive numbers never left the small portion of what is now Israel/Palestine.  This is a historical fact.  Judahism spread throughout the World just as Christianity and the Islamic Faith spread throught the World through proselytization of the Faith.  In modern times Jews constituted less than 10% of the population of what was to become Israel.  In 1948, they still made up only 33%.  Jews have NO exclusive right to the land that is now Israel, in fact UN resolutions declared that Jews live side by side with their Arab Palestinian brothers, and that after Israel was established, UN 242 demanded that those 700,000 Palestinians who fled their homes be allowed to return to them.  Israel never allowed that to happen, and Israel continues bulldozing homes and building The Wall into Palestinian areas, stealing more land and evacuating and cutting off Palestinians from their lands.  Settlement-building continues, as Ariel Sharon’s plan continues, unabated: http://nonprofitnet.ca/wao/wao.php?show&1085; Mr. Shuster, your question, “If the American Indian is considered the aboriginal, why do you reject the Jewish people’s rights in their own homeland?” is a confused analogy, as Palestinians who were descended on by Jewish immigrants are more analogous to our aboriginal people on the North American continent.  So it is I who should be asking you why you reject the rights of Palestinians to their homeland.

The Zionist notion of a “right of return” is bogus, as Jews in massive numbers never left the small portion of what is now Israel/Palestine.  This is a historical fact.  Judahism spread throughout the World just as Christianity and the Islamic Faith spread throught the World through proselytization of the Faith.  In modern times Jews constituted less than 10% of the population of what was to become Israel.  In 1948, they still made up only 33%.  Jews have NO exclusive right to the land that is now Israel, in fact UN resolutions declared that Jews live side by side with their Arab Palestinian brothers, and that after Israel was established, UN 242 demanded that those 700,000 Palestinians who fled their homes be allowed to return to them.  Israel never allowed that to happen, and Israel continues bulldozing homes and building The Wall into Palestinian areas, stealing more land and evacuating and cutting off Palestinians from their lands.  Settlement-building continues, as Ariel Sharon’s plan continues, unabated:

http://nonprofitnet.ca/wao/wao.php?show&1085;

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by David R. Evans dave7819@yahoo.com N Shuster, as an example of nonsence, let’s examine your statement, “Judea (Roman name) is the historic birthplace of the Jewish people recognized by history, religious heritage, the League of Nations, Balfour Declaration, etc., etc. After one betrayal after another, the West “allowed” the Jews to return to a small part of their ancient homeland only to be met with the hostility and violence of the squatters. I guess you mind the Israelis’ success of defending themselves. While Jews lived on some of the land referred to, so did people of other religions and cultures.  Jews have no exclusive right to ALL of what other people have historical attachment to.  On what logic do you base such a foolish claim?  Thousands of years later, after much population movements, mixing and boundary changes as empires waxed and waned, Jews claim they have exclusive right to throw out people who have made the land their homes for dozens of generations?  What kind of moral ground can such a claim have?  Only a sociopathic racist could side with such nonsense! N Shuster, as an example of nonsence, let’s examine your statement, “Judea (Roman name) is the historic birthplace of the Jewish people recognized by history, religious heritage, the League of Nations, Balfour Declaration, etc., etc. After one betrayal after another, the West “allowed” the Jews to return to a small part of their ancient homeland only to be met with the hostility and violence of the squatters. I guess you mind the Israelis’ success of defending themselves.

While Jews lived on some of the land referred to, so did people of other religions and cultures.  Jews have no exclusive right to ALL of what other people have historical attachment to.  On what logic do you base such a foolish claim?  Thousands of years later, after much population movements, mixing and boundary changes as empires waxed and waned, Jews claim they have exclusive right to throw out people who have made the land their homes for dozens of generations?  What kind of moral ground can such a claim have?  Only a sociopathic racist could side with such nonsense!

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by David R. Evans dave7819@yahoo.com Shuster..I responded to your posts, but my response is being evaluated by this site monitor.  I assume that it will be posted.  My sources are backed by factual documentation.  this is why I refer to links, unlike you who are just posting on opinion and recitation of mythical beliefs that cannot be documented. “A fair and knowlegable person” always fact checks and provides data, not undocumented nonsense or lies. Shuster..I responded to your posts, but my response is being evaluated by this site monitor.  I assume that it will be posted.  My sources are backed by factual documentation.  this is why I refer to links, unlike you who are just posting on opinion and recitation of mythical beliefs that cannot be documented. “A fair and knowlegable person” always fact checks and provides data, not undocumented nonsense or lies.

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by N. Shuster nashu24@yahoo.com Evans: I see that you are a Johnie-One-Note and a dispenser of tainted links. You refuse to engage in a discussion and have ignored any of the points made in rebuttal. A fair and knowledgable person does not require citations to back up his points. You are neither. Therefore, I find you a jerk, a nudnik and a knave. Get thee gone! Evans:
I see that you are a Johnie-One-Note and a dispenser of tainted links.
You refuse to engage in a discussion and have ignored any of the points made in rebuttal. A fair and knowledgable person does not require citations to back up his points. You are neither.
Therefore, I find you a jerk, a nudnik and a knave.
Get thee gone!

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by David R. Evans dave7819@yahoo.com For mor truths about Israel’s inhumane attacks on unarmed civilians who were locked in the inescapable box of Gaza with nowhere to run: http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/impunity-war-crimes-gaza-southern-israel-recipe-further-civilian-suffering-20090702 And check out these videos.  there are hundreds just like them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFUsSpcZjW0&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTUYivihoTE And check out the behavior of immigrant Jewish settlers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKwDrWFLrGk&feature=related It is Israelis, not Palestinians who have always been the aggressors.  Israel owns the 4th most powerful military on the planet.and Palestinians havew been under brutal subjugation and occupation for decades by people who moved in on them and stole most of their land, and is continuing to steal ever more chunks through settlement-building.  Any Palestinian resistance to this gross injustice is natural resistance to oppression.  If we were in the shoes of Palestinians, some of us would be resisting the occupation of our country also. For mor truths about Israel’s inhumane attacks on unarmed civilians who were locked in the inescapable box of Gaza with nowhere to run:

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/report/impunity-war-crimes-gaza-southern-israel-recipe-further-civilian-suffering-20090702

And check out these videos.  there are hundreds just like them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFUsSpcZjW0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTUYivihoTE

And check out the behavior of immigrant Jewish settlers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKwDrWFLrGk&feature=related

It is Israelis, not Palestinians who have always been the aggressors.  Israel owns the 4th most powerful military on the planet.and Palestinians havew been under brutal subjugation and occupation for decades by people who moved in on them and stole most of their land, and is continuing to steal ever more chunks through settlement-building.  Any Palestinian resistance to this gross injustice is natural resistance to oppression.  If we were in the shoes of Palestinians, some of us would be resisting the occupation of our country also.

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by N. Shuster nashu24@yahoo.com Mr. Evans: It’s almost tedious, but I’ll try again: Wow! Serious accusations. But are they valid, or mere repetitions of the usual canards by the usual suspects? Expansion? Into Judea? Does the name mean anything to you?  Judea (Roman name) is the historic birthplace of the Jewish people recognized by history, religious heritage, the League of Nations, Balfour Declaration, etc., etc. After one betrayal after another, the West “allowed” the Jews to return to a small part of their ancient homeland only to be met with the hostility and violence of the squatters. I guess you mind the Israelis’ success of defending themselves. It’s the Arabs that are the invaders and the squatters. Why do you uphold their false claims? Anti-Semitism, I ask only. Perhaps it’s all quite well-meaning but ignorant. If the American Indian is considered the aboriginal, why do you reject the Jewish people’s rights in their own homeland? Land theft? Where? The Jerusalem development land has been bought and paid for. Theft? What has been stolen? Whatever do you think happened to the property of Jews driven out of Arab lands? It’s hard to believe that a reasonable person, supposedly educated and pretending to be fair would hold these views In this vision of reality, no Arab population of the area has ever rejected the U.N. partition plan of 1947, no Arab states have ever aggressed against the Jewish state, after beaten on the battlefield the Arab brotherhood refused to recognize, negotiate or have peace with Israel, and even if some of them, forced by reality, developed relations with their Jewish neighbor, these relations continue to be conditional and frigid, not at all meeting the conditions of the original agreements. Surely you know that it is not the first time in history that conflicts bring about dislocation of populations (like the 750,000,00 Jews from Arab lands who have been resettled in Israel and elsewhere), but it’s the first time in history that those responsible continue to keep the disposessed in squalid conditions as a strategic weapon against their enemy. As for myself, this is the problem and not at all the choice of Israel No, Sir, it is not Israel that is guilty of the crimes listed in your dispeptic posting, but rather those and their supporters who continue to keep the pot boiling over a fire of intransigence and hatred . Mr. Evans:
It’s almost tedious, but I’ll try again:
Wow! Serious accusations. But are they valid, or mere repetitions of the usual canards by the usual suspects?
Expansion? Into Judea? Does the name mean anything to you?  Judea (Roman name) is the historic birthplace of the Jewish people recognized by history, religious heritage, the League of Nations, Balfour Declaration, etc., etc. After one betrayal after another, the West “allowed” the Jews to return to a small part of their ancient homeland only to be met with the hostility and violence of the squatters. I guess you mind the Israelis’ success of defending themselves.
It’s the Arabs that are the invaders and the squatters. Why do you uphold their false claims? Anti-Semitism, I ask only. Perhaps it’s all quite well-meaning but ignorant. If the American Indian is considered the aboriginal, why do you reject the Jewish people’s rights in their own homeland?
Land theft? Where? The Jerusalem development land has been bought and paid for. Theft? What has been stolen?
Whatever do you think happened to the property of Jews driven out of Arab lands?
It’s hard to believe that a reasonable person, supposedly educated and pretending to be fair would hold these views In this vision of reality, no Arab population of the area has ever rejected the U.N. partition plan of 1947, no Arab states have ever aggressed against the Jewish state, after beaten on the battlefield the Arab brotherhood refused to recognize, negotiate or have peace with Israel, and even if some of them, forced by reality, developed relations with their Jewish neighbor, these relations continue to be conditional and frigid, not at all meeting the conditions of the original agreements.
Surely you know that it is not the first time in history that conflicts bring about dislocation of populations (like the 750,000,00 Jews from Arab lands who have been resettled in Israel and elsewhere), but it’s the first time in history that those responsible continue to keep the disposessed in squalid conditions as a strategic weapon against their enemy.
As for myself, this is the problem and not at all the choice of Israel
No, Sir, it is not Israel that is guilty of the crimes listed in your dispeptic posting, but rather those and their supporters who continue to keep the pot boiling over a fire of intransigence and hatred .

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by David R. Evans dave7819@yahoo.com Mr. Golan, Please consider that it is Israel that was dumped like a rampaging elephant in the middle of Palestinians in 1948, and it is Israelis, not Palestinians, who are continuing to move the inhabitants of the land of Palestinians out of the way for its (Israel’s) expansion.  You charge me with promoting propaganda when it is Israel and its US various lobby that hides truths here that all of Europe and the rest of the world sees in their nightly news.  What I provide here is truth, not propaganda.  For example,these documents: http://www.alzaytouna.net/arabic/?c=1519&a=90731 and these stories: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/09/gaza-palestinians-israel-evacuees-zeitoun http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8164582.stm Mr. Golan,
Please consider that it is Israel that was dumped like a rampaging elephant in the middle of Palestinians in 1948, and it is Israelis, not Palestinians, who are continuing to move the inhabitants of the land of Palestinians out of the way for its (Israel’s) expansion.  You charge me with promoting propaganda when it is Israel and its US various lobby that hides truths here that all of Europe and the rest of the world sees in their nightly news.  What I provide here is truth, not propaganda.  For example,these documents:

http://www.alzaytouna.net/arabic/?c=1519&a=90731

and these stories:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/09/gaza-palestinians-israel-evacuees-zeitoun

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8164582.stm

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by Sheldon Dan sdan5753@bellsouth.net Archie1954, I resent the implication that American Jews have a dual loyalty.  We ARE loyal Americans, but we are also members of the Jewish people--and we are loyal to both. Certainly, the USA is the greatest country in the world, where the greatest experiment in government has continued uninterrupted since 1789.  However, as a loyal American, I have the right to criticize my country’s policies, and in regard to Israel I have grave concerns about them.  To imply that Israel’s right to exist is solely based on the Holocaust ignores the long history the Jewish people have had on this land.  Unfortunately, the president and the world would rather ignore this inconvenient fact.  However, we will not ignore it. I don’t think the best interests of the USA coincide with the Arab countries, and it would be better if our president recognized that both sides have requirements (possibly irreconcilable) that will have to be addressed if a true peace agreement is to be reached.  Regardless, under no circumstances should the USA be dictating to Israel what it should do--the true negotiations should be bilateral between Israel and the Palestinians, and the Palestinians must be prepared to accept a lot less than they want, but this is what is meant by a peace between enemies. Archie1954, I resent the implication that American Jews have a dual loyalty.  We ARE loyal Americans, but we are also members of the Jewish people--and we are loyal to both.

Certainly, the USA is the greatest country in the world, where the greatest experiment in government has continued uninterrupted since 1789.  However, as a loyal American, I have the right to criticize my country’s policies, and in regard to Israel I have grave concerns about them.  To imply that Israel’s right to exist is solely based on the Holocaust ignores the long history the Jewish people have had on this land.  Unfortunately, the president and the world would rather ignore this inconvenient fact.  However, we will not ignore it.

I don’t think the best interests of the USA coincide with the Arab countries, and it would be better if our president recognized that both sides have requirements (possibly irreconcilable) that will have to be addressed if a true peace agreement is to be reached.  Regardless, under no circumstances should the USA be dictating to Israel what it should do--the true negotiations should be bilateral between Israel and the Palestinians, and the Palestinians must be prepared to accept a lot less than they want, but this is what is meant by a peace between enemies.

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by Archie1954 robertgsmiley@hotmail.com The only thing American Jews should be interested in is the best interests of their country, the US not some foreign entity like Israel. If the best interests of the US coincide with the best interests of Israel, fine but if not too bad Israel. The only thing American Jews should be interested in is the best interests of their country, the US not some foreign entity like Israel. If the best interests of the US coincide with the best interests of Israel, fine but if not too bad Israel.

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by Alex Golan 74rivka@msn.com Isn’t is interesting that for Mr. Evans every nation that fosters terrorism, like Iran and the so-called Palestinians, are innocent while Israel, the main target of these “innocent” terrorists, is guilty? That is classic anti-Semitic reasoning - after all it was the main line of the Nazi propaganda against the Jews in the uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto. I guess, for Mr. Evans every Jew in Israel who believes in defending his God-given right to settle in Eretz Israel is automatically an nasty aggressor and the cause of all evil in the Middle East. Finally, there are lies, damned lies and then there are video tapes - doctored by Mr. Evans’ peace-loving buddies from Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran etc. Mr. Evans, there is an old Viennese saying, which I learned from my father, that applies to you: “You are not even worth to be ignored!” Have a nice trip to hell. Isn’t is interesting that for Mr. Evans every nation that fosters terrorism, like Iran and the so-called Palestinians, are innocent while Israel, the main target of these “innocent” terrorists, is guilty? That is classic anti-Semitic reasoning - after all it was the main line of the Nazi propaganda against the Jews in the uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto. I guess, for Mr. Evans every Jew in Israel who believes in defending his God-given right to settle in Eretz Israel is automatically an nasty aggressor and the cause of all evil in the Middle East. Finally, there are lies, damned lies and then there are video tapes - doctored by Mr. Evans’ peace-loving buddies from Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran etc.
Mr. Evans, there is an old Viennese saying, which I learned from my father, that applies to you: “You are not even worth to be ignored!” Have a nice trip to hell.

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by David R. Evans dave7819@yahoo.com Walter Steinlauf, in your mind, just what are the “interests of Israel” that you want to see “advanced”?  Do they include continued expansion and land theft?  How many more innocent Palestinians who have been already displaced and dispossessed of their homes, farms and livelyhoods must die in senseless unprovoked attacks by Israeli forces so that their land may be acquired for new and expanding Jewish-only colonies?  The strike on innocent people in Iran that you propose is cowardly, as you armchair-referee massive deaths from afar.  Such a strike would unleash devastating repercussions worldwide.  The rest of the world gets truth about the real threat to peace in the region, which is Israel, as it continues to stall peace efforts and use aggression and the subsequent pathetic retaliation to that aggression as excuse to continue expanding into Arab Christian and Muslim lands.  For truths that you seem to be ignorant of see the following videos: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589 also check out: http://ifamericansknew.org/ Walter Steinlauf, in your mind, just what are the “interests of Israel” that you want to see “advanced”?  Do they include continued expansion and land theft?  How many more innocent Palestinians who have been already displaced and dispossessed of their homes, farms and livelyhoods must die in senseless unprovoked attacks by Israeli forces so that their land may be acquired for new and expanding Jewish-only colonies?  The strike on innocent people in Iran that you propose is cowardly, as you armchair-referee massive deaths from afar.  Such a strike would unleash devastating repercussions worldwide.  The rest of the world gets truth about the real threat to peace in the region, which is Israel, as it continues to stall peace efforts and use aggression and the subsequent pathetic retaliation to that aggression as excuse to continue expanding into Arab Christian and Muslim lands.  For truths that you seem to be ignorant of see the following videos:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589

also check out:

http://ifamericansknew.org/

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by Walter H. Steinlauf ssanetwork@comcast.net Tough Love for Israel?!?!?! Now, let’s get real. American Jews who believe for one second that Obama has any “stomach” for advancing the interests of Israel are in “La La Land” and needs acute psychiatric care. Israel should immediately embark upon “authentic action” to “take out” all nuclear facilities in IRAN, Syria, and anywhere else within range of any theater nuclear weaponry within HER bailiwick.  She has the capability to do this. AND neither the US nor anyone else should stand in judgment of this action. Tough Love for Israel?!?!?! Now, let’s get real. American Jews who believe for one second that Obama has any “stomach” for advancing the interests of Israel are in “La La Land” and needs acute psychiatric care.

Israel should immediately embark upon “authentic action” to “take out” all nuclear facilities in IRAN, Syria, and anywhere else within range of any theater nuclear weaponry within HER bailiwick.  She has the capability to do this. AND neither the US nor anyone else should stand in judgment of this action.

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