Rabbis, imams vow to bring Jews, Muslims together http://blogs.jta.org/ENTRY_PERMALINK_HERE/rabbis-imams-vow-to-bring-jews-muslims-together/ A group of European imams and rabbis visits the White House and pledges to work to combat anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. en-us efingerhut@jta.org Copyright 2009 2009-07-24T;01:18:00-05:00 Comment by imam shahid imamshahid@gmail.com Many people including myself believe that a true understanding between Jews and Muslims is possible. For several years now we’ve seen how many Mosques and Synagogues around the world have been cultivating good relations between each of our communities. Through this cooperation and understanding many goods initiatives have begun including a series of faith-based discussions on issues within the Holy Al Qur’an and Hadith, and the Torah and Mishna etc We have seen the rise of discussions involving scriptual reasoning and in these meetings we visit the passages that we can find common grounds as well as those which are more contentious and possibly less welcoming. There are one of two options that we have: - To build a coalition and irradicate all forms of Anti-Semitism and Islamaphobia, - To reinforce stereotypes of each other and as a result help promote disunity and hatred around the world, I am pretty sure that I know what option, I, and billions of others would prefer… Let us take this life we have to do good and to condemn extremism in all the many ugly forms it exists in. May God help us! Many people including myself believe that a true understanding between Jews and Muslims is possible.
For several years now we’ve seen how many Mosques and Synagogues around the world have been cultivating good relations between each of our communities.
Through this cooperation and understanding many goods initiatives have begun including a series of faith-based discussions on issues within the Holy Al Qur’an and Hadith, and the Torah and Mishna etc
We have seen the rise of discussions involving scriptual reasoning and in these meetings we visit the passages that we can find common grounds as well as those which are more contentious and possibly less welcoming.
There are one of two options that we have:
- To build a coalition and irradicate all forms of Anti-Semitism and Islamaphobia,
- To reinforce stereotypes of each other and as a result help promote disunity and hatred around the world,

I am pretty sure that I know what option, I, and billions of others would prefer…

Let us take this life we have to do good and to condemn extremism in all the many ugly forms it exists in. May God help us!

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by Yoshi understandingislam@cox.net This so-called “interfaith dialog” is all a dangerous charade. Moslems cannot hold a true dialog without discussing, and ultimately rejecting, those parts of the Koran and the sayings of Muhammad which promote the moral and legal inferiority of non-Moslems, as well as the sacred commands to make war against non-Moslems. It is that simple. Here are just some of the passages from the Koran and Muhammad which must be put on the table for any interfaith dialog: FROM THE KORAN: --“ the (only) religion (acceptable) before God is Islam.” (3:19) -- “ If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him.” (3: 85) -- “You are the noblest community ever raised up for mankind.” (3:110) -- The unbelievers among the people of the book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. (98.6). -- Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve. (8.55) --The unbelievers are your inveterate enemy. (4:101) -- Mohammed is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. (48:29). -- It is unlawful for a believer to kill another believer, accidents excepted. (4:92) -- Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. (5:51) -- Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme. (8:40) -- Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God’s religion reigns supreme. (2:193) -- The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil.  (4:76) -- We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. (3:151) —I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers. (8:12) FROM THE SAYINGS OF MUHAMMAD: -- Muhammad said to the Jews: “If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. “ -- Allah’s Apostle said, “You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ “ -- Mohammed said, “I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and whoever says, “ None has the right to be worshipped but Allah , his life and property will be saved by me.” (otherwise it will not). Vol. 4:196 -- Mohammed said, “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” Vol. 9:57 -- Mohammed said, “ No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir” (infidel). Vol. 9:50 -- Muhammad said: “Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, …” This so-called “interfaith dialog” is all a dangerous charade. Moslems cannot hold a true dialog without discussing, and ultimately rejecting, those parts of the Koran and the sayings of Muhammad which promote the moral and legal inferiority of non-Moslems, as well as the sacred commands to make war against non-Moslems. It is that simple. Here are just some of the passages from the Koran and Muhammad which must be put on the table for any interfaith dialog:

FROM THE KORAN:

--“ the (only) religion (acceptable) before God is Islam.” (3:19)
-- “ If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him.” (3: 85)
-- “You are the noblest community ever raised up for mankind.” (3:110)
-- The unbelievers among the people of the book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. (98.6).
-- Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve. (8.55)
--The unbelievers are your inveterate enemy. (4:101)
-- Mohammed is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. (48:29).
-- It is unlawful for a believer to kill another believer, accidents excepted. (4:92)
-- Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. (5:51)
-- Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme. (8:40)
-- Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God’s religion reigns supreme. (2:193)
-- The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil.  (4:76)
-- We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. (3:151)
—I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers. (8:12)

FROM THE SAYINGS OF MUHAMMAD:
-- Muhammad said to the Jews: “If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. “
-- Allah’s Apostle said, “You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ “
-- Mohammed said, “I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and whoever says, “ None has the right to be worshipped but Allah , his life and property will be saved by me.” (otherwise it will not). Vol. 4:196
-- Mohammed said, “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.” Vol. 9:57
-- Mohammed said, “ No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir” (infidel). Vol. 9:50
-- Muhammad said: “Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, …”

]]> 2012-02-10T;12:44:00-05:00 Comment by Yoshi understandingislam@cox.net True dialog is NOT possible because Moslems will never discuss those portions of the Koran and the sayings of Muhammad which call for intolerance, violence and war against non-Moslems in general and against Jews in particular. Without discussing these crucial matters, there can only be a pretense of dialog, a charade. The rabbis should know better than to engage in this sort of deception. Contrast this Moslem-Jewish “dialog” to the Catholic-Jewish dialog. That was and is a real dialog because all of the history as well as the fundamental theological differences were put on the table. True dialog is NOT possible because Moslems will never discuss those portions of the Koran and the sayings of Muhammad which call for intolerance, violence and war against non-Moslems in general and against Jews in particular. Without discussing these crucial matters, there can only be a pretense of dialog, a charade. The rabbis should know better than to engage in this sort of deception. Contrast this Moslem-Jewish “dialog” to the Catholic-Jewish dialog. That was and is a real dialog because all of the history as well as the fundamental theological differences were put on the table.

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