Rounding up opinions on Obama in Cairo (UPDATE #2) http://blogs.jta.org/ENTRY_PERMALINK_HERE/rounding-up-opinions-on-obama-in-cairo/ What everyone has said today on Obama’s big Middle East speech. en-us efingerhut@jta.org Copyright 2009 2009-06-04T;22:48:00-05:00 Comment by Ari H marty_jar@hotmail.co.uk DOUGLAS J LAMBERT:- I realised that your post was from ‘Accuracy in Media’, which I was sure I’d read about as one of the many examples of ‘anti-bias’ organizations set up by highly partisan politcal groups to express...er...bias. And so it is! A quick search shows it’s a far-right US organization, which defends McCarthyism from the ‘50’s, and even now spreads allegations that everything to the left of McCarthy amounts to Communism. Well given that you deigned to ‘educate’ me (in between random insults and wild, poorly phrased allegations), I recommend you find out more about, for example, the recent governments of each of the Scandanavian countries, or any country from Northern or Western Europe, and you’ll find that these highly developed countries (and many strong US allies) all have a very strong party known as ‘Socialist’… It’s not interchangable with Communism, nor is it a slur in the rest of the Western world. Socialism in Europe and Israel is not interpreted in the same way as it is there in the US, so your quite distant (and frankly desperate) attempt to draw a connection is quite meaningless. DOUGLAS J LAMBERT:-

I realised that your post was from ‘Accuracy in Media’, which I was sure I’d read about as one of the many examples of ‘anti-bias’ organizations set up by highly partisan politcal groups to express...er...bias.

And so it is! A quick search shows it’s a far-right US organization, which defends McCarthyism from the ‘50’s, and even now spreads allegations that everything to the left of McCarthy amounts to Communism.

Well given that you deigned to ‘educate’ me (in between random insults and wild, poorly phrased allegations), I recommend you find out more about, for example, the recent governments of each of the Scandanavian countries, or any country from Northern or Western Europe, and you’ll find that these highly developed countries (and many strong US allies) all have a very strong party known as ‘Socialist’…

It’s not interchangable with Communism, nor is it a slur in the rest of the Western world. Socialism in Europe and Israel is not interpreted in the same way as it is there in the US, so your quite distant (and frankly desperate) attempt to draw a connection is quite meaningless.

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by Ari H marty_jar@hotmail.co.uk 1) What do you mean “Our so called Ari”? Still annoyed that I caught you outright lying about a story yesterday??? Or are you seriously suggesting that you know the slightest thing about me? No? That’s truly pathetic. 2) As for the rest of your post, I can’t find any kind of point in there...you’re saying that a bill is passing through congress relating to US Aid to fight global poverty (which has always been given, and that’s a scheme the whole developed world is involved in). Is it that you’re suggesting the European ‘Socialist’ parties are some dangerous groups, as you’ll find that many of the European countries (including those that fare better on development indices than the US) are run by the parties known as Socialist parties. Are you suggesting that as the US is giving aid through the same organization as the rest of the Western world, they constitute the ‘international criminal cartel’ you said runs the US??? Wouldn’t that mean that the US was PART of said cartel, and was de facto running other countries too??? LOL! That’s a remarkable conspiracy theory - I can only guess what point you were trying to make, but regardless your logic is highly flawed. Now seriously, you don’t like Obama...posting your extremely personal and aggressive messages (and making things up, as you did yesterday and today) isn’t going to win anybody round...just make your ‘argument’ look more flawed. So did you have a point? 1) What do you mean “Our so called Ari”? Still annoyed that I caught you outright lying about a story yesterday??? Or are you seriously suggesting that you know the slightest thing about me? No? That’s truly pathetic.

2) As for the rest of your post, I can’t find any kind of point in there...you’re saying that a bill is passing through congress relating to US Aid to fight global poverty (which has always been given, and that’s a scheme the whole developed world is involved in). Is it that you’re suggesting the European ‘Socialist’ parties are some dangerous groups, as you’ll find that many of the European countries (including those that fare better on development indices than the US) are run by the parties known as Socialist parties.

Are you suggesting that as the US is giving aid through the same organization as the rest of the Western world, they constitute the ‘international criminal cartel’ you said runs the US???

Wouldn’t that mean that the US was PART of said cartel, and was de facto running other countries too???

LOL! That’s a remarkable conspiracy theory - I can only guess what point you were trying to make, but regardless your logic is highly flawed. Now seriously, you don’t like Obama...posting your extremely personal and aggressive messages (and making things up, as you did yesterday and today) isn’t going to win anybody round...just make your ‘argument’ look more flawed.

So did you have a point?

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by Douglas Jay Lambert ang1313us@aol.com I see I must inform my friend Ari again of his lack of current knowledge. It seems he gets his information from Obamas internal news letters. I enclose a short section about our so called president for Ari’s education. The international connection is important and significant because an Obama bill, “The Global Poverty Act,” has just been rushed through the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, with the assistance of Democratic Senator Joe Biden, the chairman, and Republican Senator Richard Lugar. The legislation (S.2433) commits the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars more in foreign aid on the rest of the world, in order to comply with the “Millennium Goals” established by the United Nations. Conservative members of the committee were largely caught off-guard by the move to pass the Obama bill but are putting a “hold” on it, in order to try to prevent the legislation, which also quickly passed the House, from being quickly brought up for a full Senate vote. But observers think that Senate Democrats may try to pass it quickly anyway, in order to give Obama a precious legislative “victory” that he could run on.  Another group associated with the SI is the Party of European Socialists (PES), which heard from Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, back in 2006. Dean’s speech is posted on the official Democratic Party website, although the European socialist parties are referred to as “progressive.” Democrats, Dean said, want to be “good citizens of the world community.” He spoke at a session on “Global Challenges for Progressive Politics.” Anyone interested should read the entire article for themselves. It is just one source of public information. Peace http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-international-socialist-connections/ I see I must inform my friend Ari again of his lack of current knowledge. It seems he gets his information from Obamas internal news letters. I enclose a short section about our so called president for Ari’s education.
The international connection is important and significant because an Obama bill, “The Global Poverty Act,” has just been rushed through the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, with the assistance of Democratic Senator Joe Biden, the chairman, and Republican Senator Richard Lugar. The legislation (S.2433) commits the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars more in foreign aid on the rest of the world, in order to comply with the “Millennium Goals” established by the United Nations. Conservative members of the committee were largely caught off-guard by the move to pass the Obama bill but are putting a “hold” on it, in order to try to prevent the legislation, which also quickly passed the House, from being quickly brought up for a full Senate vote. But observers think that Senate Democrats may try to pass it quickly anyway, in order to give Obama a precious legislative “victory” that he could run on. 

Another group associated with the SI is the Party of European Socialists (PES), which heard from Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, back in 2006. Dean’s speech is posted on the official Democratic Party website, although the European socialist parties are referred to as “progressive.” Democrats, Dean said, want to be “good citizens of the world community.” He spoke at a session on “Global Challenges for Progressive Politics.” Anyone interested should read the entire article for themselves. It is just one source of public information. Peace http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-international-socialist-connections/

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by Ari H marty_jar@hotmail.co.uk LOL! Some of the crackpot, hysterical rants on here are remarkable… DJ Lambert - America is being ruled by an “international criminal cartel”! Gary Walk - Obama’s “political and physical security” are apparently not at risk??? He’s actually staked a great deal on ME peace...also, if you think he’s asking for unliateral concessions then you either haven’t paid attention, or are being purposefully deceitful. And my personal favorite - DAVID BEN-ARIEL, with the below:- “a fraud and foreigner, a president usurper, his damage done will damn those who were careless and irresponsible enough to let this pro-Muslim, anti-American, racist into office” I scarcely need to point out how farcical that is… There are simple facts which the mentally ill fantasists amongst us need to accept:- He was overwhelmingly elected to office democratically. He is not a muslim He has made peace in the ME a priority, risking his political capital He has got a remarkably good response to some tough words so far He has been seen to be as balanced as possible in setting targets for both sides at the same time. LOL! Some of the crackpot, hysterical rants on here are remarkable…

DJ Lambert - America is being ruled by an “international criminal cartel”!

Gary Walk - Obama’s “political and physical security” are apparently not at risk??? He’s actually staked a great deal on ME peace...also, if you think he’s asking for unliateral concessions then you either haven’t paid attention, or are being purposefully deceitful.

And my personal favorite - DAVID BEN-ARIEL, with the below:-
“a fraud and foreigner, a president usurper, his damage done will damn those who were careless and irresponsible enough to let this pro-Muslim, anti-American, racist into office”

I scarcely need to point out how farcical that is…

There are simple facts which the mentally ill fantasists amongst us need to accept:-

He was overwhelmingly elected to office democratically.
He is not a muslim
He has made peace in the ME a priority, risking his political capital
He has got a remarkably good response to some tough words so far
He has been seen to be as balanced as possible in setting targets for both sides at the same time.

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by Douglas Jay Lambert ang1313us@aol.com It is all spelled out in Atlas Shrugs read it I’ll see you in ten years… The Russians told us what they would do. Take over the schools, ruin families, destroy religion and destroy the belief in our government. They are winning everyday. Obama is just the tip of the spear. Americans, still in a dream, believe we are a country of laws. How infantile we are being run by an international criminal cartel and it shows at every turn the question is when and how do we bring it down?  How did we ever let this imbecile into office?Doug It is all spelled out in Atlas Shrugs read it I’ll see you in ten years…
The Russians told us what they would do. Take over the schools, ruin families, destroy religion and destroy the belief in our government. They are winning everyday. Obama is just the tip of the spear. Americans, still in a dream, believe we are a country of laws. How infantile we are being run by an international criminal cartel and it shows at every turn the question is when and how do we bring it down?  How did we ever let this imbecile into office?Doug

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by Gary Walk gwalk@caseyciklin.com The problem with pressuring Israel to make unilateral concessions is that history shows that they will not be reciprocated; that the Palestinian leadership will once again not miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity for peace, as Abba Eban observed.  Obama doesn’t care because his political and physical security are not at stake, and because he has the audacity of grandiosity.  Win or lose, he burnishes his image as a rock star to his acolytes. The problem with pressuring Israel to make unilateral concessions is that history shows that they will not be reciprocated; that the Palestinian leadership will once again not miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity for peace, as Abba Eban observed.  Obama doesn’t care because his political and physical security are not at stake, and because he has the audacity of grandiosity.  Win or lose, he burnishes his image as a rock star to his acolytes.

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by David Ben-Ariel davidbenariel@bex.net When justice is finally served and Soetoro/Obama is history, a fraud and foreigner, a president usurper, his damage done will damn those who were careless and irresponsible enough to let this pro-Muslim, anti-American, racist into office. Jews who foolishly voted for the BIG LIAR should seek atonement by demanding his long form birth certificate to expedite the legal process against him and for the United States. When justice is finally served and Soetoro/Obama is history, a fraud and foreigner, a president usurper, his damage done will damn those who were careless and irresponsible enough to let this pro-Muslim, anti-American, racist into office.

Jews who foolishly voted for the BIG LIAR should seek atonement by demanding his long form birth certificate to expedite the legal process against him and for the United States.

]]> 2012-02-10T;00:53:00-05:00 Comment by diana slakey ddslakey@cox.net Obama is like Jimmy Carter - a bunch of hot air with an attitude Obama is like Jimmy Carter - a bunch of hot air with an attitude

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