The Obama speech: Video and transcript http://blogs.jta.org/ENTRY_PERMALINK_HERE/transcript-of-obamas-speech/ What the president said about the Israeli-Palestinian issue, Iran and everything else. en-us efingerhut@jta.org Copyright 2009 2009-06-04T;11:26:00-05:00 Comment by Ari H marty_jar@hotmail.co.uk DAVID SWAIM:- I always find that people who end their posts with phrases like “That is a historical fact” often tend to be massive historical revisionists like yourself, who usually do something like denying the holocaust or in your case, the existence of a people known as the Palestinians, before throwing in a line like - “that’s a fact, but the powers that be try to cover it up"… Clearly you won’t be dissuaded by any facts or history, but that’s rather unimportant as essentially the entire world, (including virtually all Israelis) disagrees with you. Your point is also irrelevant as you’re arguing that the Pals are from the same tribes as the Jordanians - not that they didn’t live on the land which formed Israel, so the outcome is the same - it’s still an issue which will have to be dealt with, and that’s the important point. DAVID SWAIM:-

I always find that people who end their posts with phrases like “That is a historical fact” often tend to be massive historical revisionists like yourself, who usually do something like denying the holocaust or in your case, the existence of a people known as the Palestinians, before throwing in a line like - “that’s a fact, but the powers that be try to cover it up"…

Clearly you won’t be dissuaded by any facts or history, but that’s rather unimportant as essentially the entire world, (including virtually all Israelis) disagrees with you.

Your point is also irrelevant as you’re arguing that the Pals are from the same tribes as the Jordanians - not that they didn’t live on the land which formed Israel, so the outcome is the same - it’s still an issue which will have to be dealt with, and that’s the important point.

]]> 2009-11-20T;15:25:00-05:00 Comment by Dave Swaim DSAppraisal@airenetworks.com Why is it that this president and the world for that matter continues to talk about a country for peoples who do not exist. There never has been a Palestinian people nor a Palestinian nation, never. These are Arabs the same tribes and the modern day Jordanians. Why is no one talking aobut how the Jordanians kicked their brothers out fo their own country-now called Jordan. That is a historical fact my friends. Why is it that this president and the world for that matter continues to talk about a country for peoples who do not exist. There never has been a Palestinian people nor a Palestinian nation, never. These are Arabs the same tribes and the modern day Jordanians. Why is no one talking aobut how the Jordanians kicked their brothers out fo their own country-now called Jordan. That is a historical fact my friends.

]]> 2009-11-20T;15:25:00-05:00 Comment by Norman Singer mrfood@tds.net While I also find parts of the President’s speech uncomfortable, I suggest that, to understand him, we need to accept that, when viewed objectively, we Jews come out better than the Radical Muslims. Please, go through his speech and count the statements that are favorable to Israel (and by this I mean the Nation of us, as well as the Country), then add those that are sympathetic to Israel, and finally add those that embody truths that I and everyone I know has longed to hear stated openly.  Statements that identify the malicious character and history of the ‘Militants’. Yes, of course he did give some strokes to the Muslims.  To NOT do so would have been downright uncivil, and could well have caused an uprising. I believe that he also employed a social strategy that one of my dearest friends has taught me, “compliment someone for having done that which you dearly wish they WOULD do.” Weird?  Sure, but sometimes, the person hears it and likes the sound of it, and proceeds to try to act accordingly. In this instance, if this gentle strategy doesn’t work, there are always sterner methods. I applaud our President for having the courage to speak truths, and to try gentle persuasion in the bosom of terror. While I also find parts of the President’s speech uncomfortable, I suggest that, to understand him, we need to accept that, when viewed objectively, we Jews come out better than the Radical Muslims.
Please, go through his speech and count the statements that are favorable to Israel (and by this I mean the Nation of us, as well as the Country), then add those that are sympathetic to Israel, and finally add those that embody truths that I and everyone I know has longed to hear stated openly.  Statements that identify the malicious character and history of the ‘Militants’.
Yes, of course he did give some strokes to the Muslims.  To NOT do so would have been downright uncivil, and could well have caused an uprising.
I believe that he also employed a social strategy that one of my dearest friends has taught me, “compliment someone for having done that which you dearly wish they WOULD do.”
Weird?  Sure, but sometimes, the person hears it and likes the sound of it, and proceeds to try to act accordingly.
In this instance, if this gentle strategy doesn’t work, there are always sterner methods.
I applaud our President for having the courage to speak truths, and to try gentle persuasion in the bosom of terror.

]]> 2009-11-20T;15:25:00-05:00 Comment by yvette natkin yvettenatkin@yahoo.com It is hightime that the Palestinians and Israelis make peace among themselves.  Clinton got Israel and Egypt to recognize each others right to exist.  I’m sure President Obama could like nothing more than to see the Palestinians and the Isrealis to recognize the right for each to exists.  I pray to G-d that this will happen and soon, before we have a major war in the Middle East and the United States gets involved.  We’ve lost enough men and women in all our previous wars we do not need another war, we need PEACE. It is hightime that the Palestinians and Israelis make peace among themselves.  Clinton got Israel and Egypt to recognize each others right to exist.  I’m sure President Obama could like nothing more than to see the Palestinians and the Isrealis to recognize the right for each to exists.  I pray to G-d that this will happen and soon, before we have a major war in the Middle East and the United States gets involved.  We’ve lost enough men and women in all our previous wars we do not need another war, we need PEACE.

]]> 2009-11-20T;15:25:00-05:00 Comment by sylvia scott 2lazy2@tampabay.rr.com Obama is only fooling himself. When he was running for election the media acted as if he were the messiah. My daughter and I were very suspicious of him then, and he has proved us to be right. He is deliberently siding with the muslims, because he is a moslem. Maybe he has dreams of the revival of the old ottoman empire. His ego is huge. Now he hangs out with Kings, and other people in high places in the world. He ignores the truth about the poverty of Islamic run countries and territories. Muslems live better in Israel than any other place in the Islamic world. I am tired of Israel being cast as the perpetrator of violence. I have written my senators and only one responded with the party line of a “2 state solution” I also saw this same senator with many pictures of himself with Obama-coat tails- these elected representatives of ours are so full of self-aggrazement and if aren’t a major donor to their campaigns-what you think is not important to them. If everyone would come together in mass numbers on this issue they would have to listen.  We have to press on. Americans are a bit apathetic about their government, they don’t believe in their government anymore. Giving up their freedoms everyday. While the muslems work to quietly undermine us, and everyone else. They are more dangerous than communists.  We have to keep trying. What else are we going to do? Give up? No way! The scriptures say G_d rises up Kings, and puts them down. We will see how this plays out, but we cannot lose heart. Obama is only fooling himself. When he was running for election the media acted as if he were the messiah. My daughter and I were very suspicious of him then, and he has proved us to be right. He is deliberently siding with the muslims, because he is a moslem. Maybe he has dreams of the revival of the old ottoman empire. His ego is huge. Now he hangs out with Kings, and other people in high places in the world. He ignores the truth about the poverty of Islamic run countries and territories. Muslems live better in Israel than any other place in the Islamic world. I am tired of Israel being cast as the perpetrator of violence. I have written my senators and only one responded with the party line of a “2 state solution” I also saw this same senator with many pictures of himself with Obama-coat tails- these elected representatives of ours are so full of self-aggrazement and if aren’t a major donor to their campaigns-what you think is not important to them. If everyone would come together in mass numbers on this issue they would have to listen.  We have to press on. Americans are a bit apathetic about their government, they don’t believe in their government anymore. Giving up their freedoms everyday. While the muslems work to quietly undermine us, and everyone else. They are more dangerous than communists.  We have to keep trying. What else are we going to do? Give up? No way! The scriptures say G_d rises up Kings, and puts them down. We will see how this plays out, but we cannot lose heart.

]]> 2009-11-20T;15:25:00-05:00 Comment by Jim Horn nyandjim@yahoo.com Obama pretends that Islam is not hidebound and unwilling to recognize non-believers (non-Moslems) as genuine equals.  He is an ego run amok and not fully cognizant (willfully ignorant) of the real Islam, the Islam that wants to conquer all at any cost, by any means. Obama pretends that Islam is not hidebound and unwilling to recognize non-believers (non-Moslems) as genuine equals.  He is an ego run amok and not fully cognizant (willfully ignorant) of the real Islam, the Islam that wants to conquer all at any cost, by any means.

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