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09/05/08 10:53 PM

I think Jews should watch “Uprising” (starring Leelee Sobieski, and Donald Sutherland as the head of the Judenrat) and see how the Jews in Warsaw’s ghetto were grateful for any firearm and even a few rounds of ammunition.

Obama and Biden support gun laws similar to those enacted by Hitler in 1938, for the express purpose of disarming Jews and other “undesirables.” (Obama’s and Biden’s gun laws would admittedly disarm everybody without government connections and favoritism, e.g. a gun license from Richard Daley). Obama does not believe you have the right to use a gun to defend yourself from a violent home invader. There are absolutely no circumstances under which I can vote for somebody like this.

09/06/08 07:37 PM

Gloria Steinem had a Jewish father but a non-Jewish mother, thus rendering her non-Jewish according to Orthodox and Conservative Jews. Also, she was not raised in a Jewish-conscious home and did not, until relatively late in life, even acknowledge her partial Jewish background in any public forum. To refer to her as being Jewish is quite a stretch.

09/07/08 02:56 AM

Bill:

You are in effect equating the NRA with a people locked up in ghettos, waiting to be shipped to concentration camps and executed.

I bet you don’t live in a city that’s being ravaged by criminals whose gun suppliers are protected by the NRA and its friends. Do you know how many innocent children have been shot in Chicago this year?

Mexico is in state of virtual civil war now, with heavily armed drug gangs holding off the police and even the national army. Do you know where and how the gangs are getting weapons? From the US, on the free market, for cash on the barrelhead.

You speak for the storm troopers, not their victims.

09/07/08 03:59 AM

Steve

I caught you on that over in the G. Steinem thread, already. I see you are still at it. You don’t know a single thing, but you blather on as if you were an expert. 

Bill Levinson is absolutely correct.

The fact is that, yes, Nazi (may their memory be erased) Germany was, like Russian Communists, a Leftist movement.  And it is always the Left that wants to control guns so that when the state oppresses it’s citizens, they are powerless to resist it.

“The Nazi Weapons Law (or Waffengesetz), which restricted the possession of militarily useful weapons and forbade trade in weapons without a government-issued license, was passed by the Reichstag on March 18, 1938.”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4A711AA5-5283-4FFF-AC10-226D493CF542

I strongly recommend readers Google “john ray” with the terms “Hitler” and “Leftist” and read as much of his analysis as possible.  He also has a vast amount of useful deconstruction of Leftist narratives, as well as tracing their historical roots.  It’s very scholarly, as it should be since he is a retired professor with hundreds of publications.

09/07/08 04:14 AM

Re: “I bet you don’t live in a city that’s being ravaged by criminals whose gun suppliers are protected by the NRA and its friends. Do you know how many innocent children have been shot in Chicago this year?”

Chicago has exactly the kind of gun laws that Obama & Co. want. You yourself have just stated how (in)effective they are.

It is illegal to own any kind of handgun in the United Kingdom, and even long guns are heavily regulated. Britain’s violent crime level is rapidly surpassing ours.

In the Netherlands, an Islamic supremacist terrorist shot Theo van Gogh eight times with a handgun. Afterward, he was charged with illegal possession of a firearm (in addition to murder, and attempted murder of a police officer), thus showing that the only effect of Holland’s gun laws were to make sure Theo van Gogh couldn’t defend himself against a gun-armed assailant.

09/07/08 11:29 AM

yonason:

The Nazis were leftists? Are you ***** kidding? Yes, I know Nazi is a contraction of the German for National Socialist, but seriously, really, do you believe that something is true because Hitler said it? His platform of the 1920s was designed to fool disenfranchised and poor Germans who were inclined to support true Left parties. When the Nazis rose to power, the socialists were their first political victims, years before the Jews.

Some of Jay’s points, and my quick comments:

“redistribute income and war profits, profit-sharing with large industries, nationalization of trusts”
Didn’t happen.

“extensive development of old-age pension (just like FDRs Social Security Program), and free education”

Instituted in the German Empire by Bismarck in the 19th century, for two reasons - to coopt the left, and because healthy, educated people are economically and militarily more useful to the state than feeble ignoramuses. Double winner for the imperial state.

“Clearly this demonstrates Hitler was indeed a left winger and here is startling proof.”

Incredibly bad logic.

If you think his logic is sound, I dare you to look at this, and then tell me if you want to live in his world:
http://jonjayray.110mb.com/psychlef.html

And if you believe that merely being a professor guarantees the correctness of his views, I dare you to read “Hitler’s Professors”, by Max Weinreich.

09/07/08 12:02 PM

Bill:

Chicago is flooded with guns because it does *not* have laws, and their enforcement, that Obama and many others, including mayors and police chiefs actross the US want.

The violence rate in the UK is indeed rising, due largely to an increase in use of knives rather than the formerly typical fists and feet in drunken brawls. If guns were introduced, who do you really think would get them first - criminals or honest people?

Theo van Gogh would not have lived even if he’d had a gun. His attacker didn’t challenge him to a fair fight, and give him time to draw and aim.

Does it ever occur to you that prevention might save more lives than street shootouts? That, in the Netherlands it is precisely on account of restrictions that there are not *more* van Goghs?

09/07/08 03:13 PM

FACT - MORE GUNS = LESS CRIME
polyticks.com/polyticks/beararms/liars/moreguns.htm

FACT - SARAH PALIN = STAUNCH FRIEND OF JEWS
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1018326.html

FACT - EVERYTHING STEVE “KNOWS” IS WRONG

09/07/08 03:39 PM

GUNS FOR DEFENSE

Does steve remember the Bulldozer terror attack in Jerusalem?

Does steve remember how it was stopped?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4254225.ece

‘nuff said!

09/07/08 05:26 PM

What people seem to be forgetting is that a) we’re not in Nazi Germany, b) the Republicans are the ones trying to convert all the Jews, c) we’re not in Israel, and d) neither Obama nor his mainstream Democrat colleagues want all guns banned. I see bad logic and such blind hatred that I’m almost ashamed to read this website anymore.