
Sarah Palin’s looming pastor problem?
The 2008 campaign has already offered one object lesson in what happens when the press starts looking into your pastor's sermons. Now it's Sarah Palin's turn to come under the microscope.
Less than three weeks ago, on Aug. 17, Palin's church, Wasilla Bible Church, hosted a talk by David Brickner of Jews for Jesus (audio here, transcript here).
Palin's pastor, Larry Kroon, introduced Brickner by calling Jews for Jesus "a ministry that is out on the leading edge in a pressing demanding area of witnessing and evangelism." Jews for Jesus is the same group the ADL accused of "aggressive proselytizing with a deceptive message: that Jews who accept Jesus as the son of God and their savior remain Jewish."
Brickner then spoke for about 30 minutes about his group's successful effort to introduce Israelis to Jesus. More on that in a second.
After Brickner's talk, the congregation took an offering for JFJ, and then Pastor Kroon offered this prayer:
We stand before you as a people who've experienced your grace, and we acknowledge that that grace was first extended to our people through your people, the Jews; that there is not a one here in this room who would know Jesus and serve him if there had not been a Jew, generations ago, that spoke Jesus' name to our people. Father, that comes full circle and we wish to extend your grace back to your people. And we pray and we ask that as a result of this time here, and as a result of this offering, there will be people among the Jews today who come to say the name "Jesus" with faith.
On the surface, not all that different from the Catholic prayer for Jewish conversion, whose revival aroused great concern in the Jewish community and nearly railroaded Pope Benedict's recent visit to New York City. In the end, he visited a synagogue and the Vatican gave some signals that this was a wish for the end of times, not the beginning an evangelical effort aimed at Jews.
It's going to be near impossible for the Palin camp to follow that road map after listening to Brickner's sermon, with its effusions over his group's success in Israel.
Here's his description of playing music in Jerusalem with his evangelical band The Liberated Wailing Wall:
Now, most Israelis are secular. And they were drawn by the music, and we had t-shirts on that said "Yehudim L'man Yeshua" (Jews for Jesus), so they knew who we were; but that was ok. They were enjoying the music; some were clapping. There were some that were even dancing off to the side. I thought to myself, "Boy, this is great! We're preachin' the gospel right here on the streets of Jerusalem."
Brickner talks about what he calls the "Jerusalem dilemma," essentially the apparent conflict between the fact that Jerusalem has been the site of so much religious revelation and also the nexus of so much war and bloodshed. The reason? Israel's rejection of God's messenger:
But what we see in Israel, the conflict that is spilled out throughout the Middle East, really which is all about Jerusalem, is an ongoing reflection of the fact that there is judgment. There is judgment that is going on in the land, and that's the other part of this Jerusalem Dilemma. When Jesus was standing in that temple, He spoke that that judgment was coming, that there's a reality to the judgment of unbelief .... And Jesus' words have echoed down through the centuries. Not a generation after He uttered this promise, Titus and his Roman legions marched into that city and destroyed both the city and the temple ... Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When Isaac was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgmentyou can't miss it.
Isaac is Brickner's son, who just came back from a proselytizing trip to Israel and India. In India, he targeted Israeli backpackers on holiday after completing their army service. For Isaac, it was life-changing:
And for me, that personally has changed my life, making me realize how much God has a plan for each and every one of us, and how much we all need to witness to our fellow unbelievers; and for me, as a Jewish person, to my fellow unbelieving Jewish family.
No word yet on whether Palin was present in church on Aug. 17, but we'll find out. We're also trying to find out more about Pastor Kroon's apparently long connection to Brickner – Kroon says the pair go back to the 1970s – who was making his second appearance at the church. In his first appearance, in 2004, Kroon said: "If it were not for Jews for Jesus, I would not be standing here."
ADL chief Abe Foxman – whose organization has criticized Jews for Jesus as "deceptive," who called on Barack Obama to confront his "black racist" minister, and who called the Catholic prayer a "body blow" to relations with the Jews – told JTA Tuesday he didn't have much problem with Palin's pastor. For one, evangelicals, unlike Catholics, never promised to renounce proselytizing. For another, they don't have the same sort of history of violent persecution of Jewish non-believers. For one more, there's no evidence Palin knows or shares those views.
"If you could tell me that she approves of this guy, she invited him, I'm not aware of any of that," Foxman said. "The fact that she belongs to a church that believes in it, I don't have a problem."
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I don’t see why Palin’s pastor should be a problem.
Palin belongs to a Christian religious institution. It therefore follows that they would have speakers who are Christians (like the J 4 Js). While I do not agree with the J 4 Js’ theology, I know that (unlike Obama’s pastors) they do not preach hatred or thank God for racist hate speech, as Obama’s new pastor Otis Moss did when Michael Pfleger spoke at the church.
Remember that the Evangelicals think Jesus is the greatest thing in the world, and hence they want to share him with everybody else. Their intentions are benevolent, and should be treated as such even when we refuse what they offer. Their intention is not to harm or offend others, so their theology should be rejected as gently and respectfully as possible.
Furthermore, if everyone in the world followed Jesus’ (or Rabbi Hillel’s) secular teachings, we would not need guns, armies, police, or locks on our doors. Here we can find common ground with them.
Wright’s preaching was simple and a diverative version of the world of God as explain. “You reap, whatever you so!” That is the word of God catered to the subject. Even with Palin minister, this is the same thing. The only difference is Fox New never aided the scripture reading related to Wright sermon. All minster do this with good or bad information. My suggestion is know God for yourself and pass on you testimony of what God has done in your life. That my friends is Gods will for his people.
Bill - you should do a little more research on the church where Sarah Palin grew up attending. They do, in fact, preach hate.
Christians are just trying to help you save your imortal souls. Otherwise only a remnant of your people will be saved. You are God’s chosen people who have rejected Him over and over again. You have rejected His Son, the only way to salvation. I know you don’t believe this. You have your own views. One day we will all know. When you realize that His coming is really His SECOND coming it will likely be too late. Sarah Palin’s pastor’s sermon sounded fine to me. If you are firm in your beliefs, why do you fear J4J? I don’t fear Jews. I respect them as knowing the same God that I know. You’ve got it half right. May God bless you and show you the “way”
That’s just the problem Eric (E.R.), we really don’t know “the same G-d”. Your’s was BORN and DIED, while our Torah G-d is Eternal and NEVER CHANGING nor ENDING. He always IS. Furthermore, we have been warned in Torah concerning ACCEPTING strange (to us) G-ds of the people around us. For that reason, and that reason alone do we “fear” the work that you and other Christians (J4J-s)are attempting in trying to missionize Jews. You don’t understand that any Jew who follows Yeshu will be subject to the CURSES prophesied in Torah.
Isn’t the worst part of his message not the proselytizing, but the idea that terrorist attacks in Jerusalem are “judgment” for not converting? That’s pretty offensive.
How is this not just as bad as Rev. Wright’s “chickens coming home to roost” line? And Rev. Wright was linking it to specific actions, not blaming it on a lack of conversion.
I’m a Jewish believer in Jesus. I’m glad Ben Harris posted links so that you can actually hear or read David Brickner’s entire message.
Harris has quoted selectively from Brickner’s message. You need to hear those quotes in the context of the entire message. Harris seems to have missed Brickner’s main point: Without forgiveness of sins, which he (and I) believe only comes through Jesus’ sacrificial death for us, there will be judgment – not just for Jews, but for all mankind.
By quoting selectively, Harris gives the false impression that Brickner is saying that a bulldozer attack by a deranged Palestinian is God’s judgment on the Jewish people.
But among other things, Brickner says, “My mother always told me, ‘Be careful when you point a finger at somebody else, because there’s some pointing back at you.’ And really, Israel has not cornered the market on unbelief. Israel is an example of what all humanity has been saying to God since the beginning of time, shaking its fists at the heavens and saying, ‘You’ll not rule over us.’ And so all of the controversy that we see swirling in Jerusalem is really a mirror that the world looks in to see the controversy within . . . . It’s the dilemma of the human heart.”
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DoubleTapper
09/02/08 04:10 PM
For some reason they never proselytize to me.
It could be the Yarmulka, or maybe the Glock 17 9mm on my right hip and the 2 extra 33 round magazines on my left hip.
Or maybe it’s just my happy demeanor.
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